Wow, good memory: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=46575&page=2&pp=20&highlight=chris+simms
I think the Raiders will get him also, or the Cardinals would get him. The Cardinals would be an ideal situation because he can play behind Warner for a few years.
I'll be the bigger person and not jump all over this "missed prediction" by the Cat, even though he never lets me forget my one missed prediction.
Cardinals with Edge, Boldin, Fitz, and Young, sounds like a sweet offensive lineup. I could see that happening.
I like Simms as much as anyone, but if you think the body of work of Vince Young is even remotely comparable to that of Chris Simms (when he was coming out of college, not now), I don't know what else to say. Also, you're making a whole lot of assumptions with the Brees signing. It may not be that they didn't like Leinart or Young. But if they feel Brees is a good quarterback, and they can get great value at another position (DE/OT) with the second overall pick, they may believe that's a better value for them than Young or Leinart by themselves. It doesn't necessarily mean they don't believe in him as a pro quarterback.
If you don't think the Texans were considering moving down, given some of the statements in the last month, I'm not sure what else to say.
Even if he goes to the Raiders, I think it'd be fun seeing Vince and Randy Moss on the same team. I'd rather see him go and help the Cardnials turn around, though.
He's been very good as a starting quarterback in the NFL. Say what you will, but using Chris Simms as a negative regarding VY's pro potential probably isn't going to work.
I think his quote was that Simms would be a "sure" top 15 pick. But I actually am a Simms fan, I think he's a damn good quarterback. If that receiver had caught that beautiful pass from him in their last playoff game this past year, they would have advanced. Simms is the hands down starter for the Bucs and is on track to a good NFL career assuming he stays healthy. He has surprised a lot of people so far.
Fair enough but my dream and fantasy is ruined now (assuming this news is credible). I am still favorable to having someone that can bum rush the QB from the opposite side of Weaver. I see too many risks with drafting Bush. I 'll take the route of more defensive pressure. With solid 4-man front and some creative LBs, we could put pressure on Peyton (of course not having to worry about Edge will help) who gets uncomfortable under consistent pressure, for starters. DD will be adequate if Cube's offense lives up to the hype. We do not need to score a lot of points - journeymen QBs and RBs have done excellently well in Denver's offense (well not all of them were excellent, see Brian Dreese). I see no problem with us going for more D and we are only dreaming if we think the Jets will trade Abe especially with the way things look now with NoLa.
I really don't. Only if there was an insane blockbuster deal, then they might consider it. I think they are so high on Bush, they are afraid to trade down at any cost for fear of losing a chance to draft Bush. I believe that any team, regardless of need would not pass on Bush if he were there.
Except my missed prediction was five months before the draft, and it also involved trying to predict the opinions of scouts and general managers. Needless to say, it's a much more difficult prediction than simply predicting the result of a game... with the draft, you're predicting how other random people will perceive certain games. Also, I'm not so sure if you guys want to start digging up past history about Chris Simms (and I know you weren't a part of these posts, so don't think I'm directing this at you, reggie). I was wrong about where he would be drafted, but there are many, many posters here who declared him a bust and gave him no chance to succeed at this level. Within three years, he's become a good starting quarterback who directed his team to a division championship and earned an extension as the team's starting quarterback. If you guys want to re-hash the Chris Simms debate, be my guest.
And I think that if he stays healthy, he will be in the pro bowl next year, he has all the tools and is proving it. But he is still fragile thats what worries me.
I agree and disagree on that. I'm not sure if he's fragile, yet. Remember, Simms is pretty tough... I'm not sure if you saw the game he played at Nebraska his senior season at Texas, but on second down, he dislocated a finger on his throwing hand, took a timeout, had it popped back in, and threw a laser for a touchdown on the very next play. He's only had one real injury - the separated shoulder his second season in Tampa - so I don't know if he's fragile. But, at the same time, I agree as well... for someone of his height, he really should have some more bulk to take NFL hits.
By the way, reggie, I apologize for misjudging some of your previous posts the last few months. A large part of the reason I was so harsh is that I (apparently) mistakenly lumped you into a group with IC2000 and certain other posters who despise every Texas athlete with a passion merely because they wore burnt orange. Given your analysis of Simms, however, I can see that's not the case. My mistake.
I didn't compare Vince to Simms, I was just pointing out how stupid these "lock" for top whatever is. People slip in the draft all the time, even supposed good qb prospects. If the saints felt that VY was truly the transcendent once in a generation prospect that people think he is, then they wouldn't be handing over their team to a so-so qb with a gimpy shoulder that MAY not even be ready for the regular season. And you aren't doing pretty much the same here? You have no idea how those gms and/or scouts feel about VY. All we have to go on is some press clippings(which could be nothing but smokescreens) and hunches at this point. It is very concievable that VY could drop out of the top 10. I don't think it will happen, but a bad proday and private workouts could certainly push him down a notch. I personally think that the Titans are the best fit for him, and if Oakland would pass on him that Dennis Green would pick him up as he's notorious for going bpa sometimes regardless of needs, but you never know because there are no "locks" in the draft and that's what makes so many people tune in for it.
They might think Brees is more than so-so. I'm not saying I do; I'm with you on this. But there are other possibilities. As for "locks" being stupid, to an extent, I understand, and perhaps I should have phrased the statement better. After all, it's possible that even Reggie Bush could slip out of the top 10. However, I find it incredibly unlikely and I do think it's somewhat of a different scenario than it was with Simms. With Simms, I knew his on-the-field results weren't automatically top 10 material... but I guessed and hoped that scouts could see some of the problems he had to deal with and take that into consideration. With Young, his results and performance have been so once-in-a-generation that I have a hard time believing any scout or general manager would let him slip out of the top 10. I think his college performance was so phenomenal that he's an exception to the rule. As always, I could be wrong, and I have been many times before, but I would be quite shocked to say the least.
Why does every NFL discussion on this ****ing board turn to either Vince Young is a moron, Chris Simms sucks or David Carr is better than Michael Vick. Anyway, The only thing the Brees signing really does is mean the Saints won't be the team picking Leinart with the #2 pick. However the Culpepper trade could bump Cutler out of the Top 10 if Tennessee decides not to draft him (I think Ferguson best suits their need) The Raiders right now have Mario Williams and AJ Hawk ahead of Young on their draft board for sure, but it is very likely both of them will be gone by the 7th pick and the price for trading up is going to be too high for tightwad Al. The way everything has shaped out so far, I'd say the Raiders will be in position to take VY41-38, whether they do it or not remains to be seen. Just give me anything but Kerry Collins, I'll take Jeff George back before I would him.
