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  1. madmonkey37

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    "This is purely quantitative, nothing more or less. But Im sure it will lead to lots of discussion"


    http://blogmaverick.com/2009/02/08/nba-all-stars-by-the-numbers/

    We have developed and enhanced a player and lineup evaluation system. We have been working on this for the last 8 years. Its far from perfect, and its greatest value is that over a period of years we have been able to identify trends to help us identify up and coming, starring and declining players. It also helps us understand what combinations of players work well together, and which dont.

    To give you a basic understanding of the system, at its most basic its a plus minus system. Then we adjust it to take into account who the opponent is, is it home or away, are you playing against the other teams good lineup or bad lineup, what the score and game clock are (scoring the game winner is worth more than the 1st basket of the game. Scoring when up by 30 is worth nothing). If the team scores or gets a stop when the game is on the line, then your impact percentage goes up. We reward for getting the job done when it matters.

    We track as you can see below by last games, and also track the variance. In other words, average is pretty much meaningless. You can score plus 20 one day, zero the next, but are you a 10 level
    player ? We track the variance of the players performance. THe lower the variance, the more consistent the player on offense or defense.

    One more point, these numbers don’t reflect necessarily the best players in the league, but what they do reflect is the players that are being best put in a position to succeed and are delivering.
    When their teams have a need, they deliver. Thats why some names are not the biggest names. its also a reflection of their coaches. Some coaches don’t necessarily use their players in the
    best lineups or matchups, which negatively impacts their ability to perform. Others are consistently good at it.



    POINTS= OFFENSE-DEFENSE IMPACT% MINUTES Z-SCORE

    1 CLE LeBron James 24.16 17.18 -6.98 62.49% 1807.01 3.2034
    CLE last 3/ 48 17.73 13.28 -4.45 33.24% 120.40
    CLE last 5/ 48 19.78 14.07 -5.71 35.22% 195.22
    CLE last 8/ 48 22.44 19.96 -2.48 62.95% 314.52
    CLE window 6/ 6 tm 18.11 15.06 -3.05 38.41% 232.74
    CLE varies 48/ 48 ( 13.98)( 9.61)( 11.59)( 33.61%) 1807.01

    2 DAL Jason Kidd 17.12 11.69 -5.44 64.94% 1761.98 2.7861
    DAL last 3/ 50 5.16 7.90 2.74 54.54% 102.94
    DAL last 5/ 50 23.37 15.72 -7.65 84.60% 173.52
    DAL last 8/ 50 23.35 17.62 -5.73 72.93% 273.98
    DAL window 7/ 7 tm 21.01 16.33 -4.68 71.25% 240.58
    DAL varies 50/ 50 ( 18.86)( 11.26)( 13.35)( 44.76%) 1761.98

    3 MIA Dwyane Wade 17.56 21.34 3.78 58.90% 1867.31 2.7435
    MIA last 3/ 49 20.80 28.17 7.36 61.64% 123.53
    MIA last 5/ 49 8.99 20.71 11.72 41.22% 195.08
    MIA last 8/ 49 14.03 21.13 7.09 51.66% 294.94
    MIA window 7/ 7 tm 12.34 20.23 7.89 47.16% 258.72
    MIA varies 49/ 49 ( 14.63)( 10.87)( 11.52)( 41.38%) 1867.31

    4 NOH Chris Paul 21.12 7.93 -13.19 51.91% 1685.00 2.7183
    NOH last 3/ 45 17.54 4.67 -12.86 16.65% 97.48
    NOH last 5/ 45 20.71 5.81 -14.90 30.71% 177.90
    NOH last 8/ 45 19.80 6.77 -13.02 39.15% 292.83
    NOH window 5/ 7 tm 20.71 5.81 -14.90 30.71% 177.90
    NOH varies 45/ 45 ( 14.11)( 11.01)( 9.39)( 44.43%) 1685.00

    5 PHI Andre Iguodala 17.19 6.63 -10.56 56.90% 1896.28 2.6702
    PHI last 3/ 49 11.57 0.78 -10.79 17.94% 121.20
    PHI last 5/ 49 10.46 -1.02 -11.49 11.77% 201.57
    PHI last 8/ 49 12.05 2.09 -9.97 33.83% 318.73
    PHI window 7/ 7 tm 9.75 -0.63 -10.38 21.10% 277.32
    PHI varies 49/ 49 ( 12.19)( 9.86)( 8.69)( 53.51%) 1896.28

    6 BOS Ray Allen 16.35 8.67 -7.68 43.50% 1897.46 2.2523
    BOS last 3/ 52 14.36 7.84 -6.52 45.06% 124.18
    BOS last 5/ 52 15.95 9.57 -6.37 54.50% 196.90
    BOS last 8/ 52 20.13 13.09 -7.03 64.21% 300.94
    BOS window 7/ 7 tm 18.81 14.46 -4.35 61.31% 263.15
    BOS varies 52/ 52 ( 16.46)( 12.76)( 10.89)( 48.47%) 1897.46

    7 ORL Rashard Lewis 12.91 6.86 -6.05 36.79% 1807.13 1.8585
    ORL last 3/ 49 6.35 2.39 -3.96 16.82% 107.88
    ORL last 5/ 49 14.77 6.01 -8.76 37.84% 188.08
    ORL last 8/ 49 13.99 5.39 -8.60 29.24% 296.12
    ORL window 6/ 6 tm 19.24 9.51 -9.73 41.18% 221.53
    ORL varies 49/ 49 ( 14.65)( 13.63)( 8.43)( 46.65%) 1807.13

    8 CHA Emeka Okafor 10.37 -0.14 -10.50 40.37% 1679.99 1.7337
    CHA last 3/ 49 -7.12 -5.99 1.13 -12.95% 91.05
    CHA last 5/ 49 7.75 -0.68 -8.44 38.49% 166.86
    CHA last 8/ 49 13.98 1.66 -12.33 44.26% 253.02
    CHA window 6/ 6 tm 9.59 -0.65 -10.24 41.10% 198.14
    CHA varies 49/ 49 ( 15.66)( 11.01)( 11.83)( 48.23%) 1679.99

    9 MIN Randy Foye 9.09 9.93 0.84 43.24% 1768.34 1.6464
    MIN last 3/ 49 6.34 5.95 -0.39 52.70% 128.74
    MIN last 5/ 49 3.43 10.77 7.35 34.21% 201.94
    MIN last 8/ 49 4.37 6.20 1.83 33.23% 325.41
    MIN window 8/ 8 tm 4.37 6.20 1.83 33.23% 325.41
    MIN varies 49/ 49 ( 12.65)( 11.81)( 12.67)( 45.62%) 1768.34

    10 HOU Yao Ming 9.64 -0.18 -9.83 34.83% 1579.31 1.5627
    HOU last 3/ 48 7.81 7.42 -0.39 33.89% 99.06
    HOU last 5/ 48 7.42 5.80 -1.62 25.29% 167.78
    HOU last 8/ 48 8.26 5.11 -3.15 31.07% 245.35
    HOU window 5/ 7 tm 7.42 5.80 -1.62 25.29% 167.78
    HOU varies 48/ 48 ( 13.21)( 11.94)( 10.35)( 48.19%) 1579.31

    *******
    POINTS= OFFENSE-DEFENSE IMPACT% MINUTES Z-SCORE
    11 ATL Joe Johnson 8.69 3.09 -5.59 37.43% 1917.51 1.5229
    ATL last 3/ 48 3.67 4.44 0.77 26.02% 121.73
    ATL last 5/ 48 -1.44 0.51 1.95 9.43% 205.94
    ATL last 8/ 48 2.25 2.08 -0.17 15.91% 324.04
    ATL window 6/ 8 tm -1.95 -0.15 1.81 6.23% 249.22
    ATL varies 48/ 48 ( 13.21)( 9.57)( 12.38)( 38.42%) 1917.51

    12 BOS Kevin Garnett 9.43 3.16 -6.27 32.43% 1594.00 1.4937
    BOS last 5/ 49 12.52 7.36 -5.16 49.46% 156.75
    BOS last 8/ 49 17.92 4.95 -12.97 53.54% 250.13
    BOS window 5/ 7 tm 12.52 7.36 -5.16 49.46% 156.75
    BOS varies 49/ 49 ( 18.27)( 13.57)( 12.38)( 50.83%) 1594.00

    13 DEN Nene 10.79 2.87 -7.92 27.47% 1642.84 1.4643
    DEN last 3/ 50 8.22 7.28 -0.94 49.03% 89.46
    DEN last 5/ 50 11.18 9.19 -1.99 39.02% 156.01
    DEN last 8/ 50 12.80 6.92 -5.88 32.15% 246.48
    DEN window 8/ 8 tm 12.80 6.92 -5.88 32.15% 246.48
    DEN varies 50/ 50 ( 16.25)( 14.16)( 10.14)( 52.28%) 1642.84

    14 DET Rasheed Wallace 8.63 2.58 -6.05 33.16% 1481.02 1.4407
    DET last 3/ 44 15.98 9.32 -6.65 65.70% 124.29
    DET last 5/ 44 13.37 4.73 -8.64 66.60% 201.85
    DET last 8/ 44 9.38 4.49 -4.89 47.81% 292.05
    DET window 6/ 6 tm 12.45 5.93 -6.52 56.45% 240.59
    DET varies 44/ 44 ( 15.85)( 11.22)( 11.86)( 54.42%) 1481.02

    15 LAL Kobe Bryant 9.19 8.50 -0.70 27.97% 1793.17 1.3706
    LAL last 3/ 49 14.01 16.74 2.73 63.87% 119.44
    LAL last 5/ 49 12.59 19.61 7.02 49.08% 189.05
    LAL last 8/ 49 12.41 15.76 3.35 42.00% 294.68
    LAL window 7/ 7 tm 10.59 14.99 4.39 43.58% 266.58
    LAL varies 49/ 49 ( 13.82)( 10.12)( 12.01)( 47.40%) 1793.17

    16 UTA Andrei Kirilenko 12.17 6.78 -5.39 21.92% 1139.46 1.3604
    UTA last 3/ 38 11.53 13.86 2.33 19.61% 75.18
    UTA last 5/ 38 9.32 14.02 4.70 9.43% 156.50
    UTA last 8/ 38 14.04 16.55 2.51 15.45% 243.33
    UTA window 0/ 7 tm 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00% 0.00
    UTA varies 38/ 38 ( 18.17)( 11.89)( 13.66)( 56.91%) 1139.46

    17 PHO Grant Hill 8.33 3.63 -4.70 30.18% 1382.00 1.3534
    PHO last 3/ 48 19.33 14.43 -4.90 11.05% 89.98
    PHO last 5/ 48 8.57 11.90 3.33 3.77% 166.17
    PHO last 8/ 48 5.08 8.13 3.04 6.70% 236.57
    PHO window 7/ 7 tm 9.89 11.36 1.47 12.46% 210.07
    PHO varies 48/ 48 ( 21.14)( 14.26)( 14.93)( 54.56%) 1382.00

    18 UTA Paul Millsap 11.20 3.62 -7.58 22.82% 1444.24 1.3473
    UTA last 3/ 45 24.72 8.32 -16.40 41.92% 88.94
    UTA last 5/ 45 18.68 10.25 -8.44 27.36% 158.35
    UTA last 8/ 45 7.85 4.91 -2.95 1.34% 267.38
    UTA window 7/ 7 tm 9.85 5.53 -4.32 9.80% 226.25
    UTA varies 45/ 45 ( 17.56)( 10.11)( 13.49)( 46.96%) 1444.24

    19 NJN Jarvis Hayes 8.04 -0.86 -8.90 29.31% 1164.38 1.3109
    NJN last 3/ 46 23.51 -1.09 -24.59 28.15% 78.13
    NJN last 5/ 46 16.82 -6.82 -23.64 48.06% 131.01
    NJN last 8/ 46 13.98 -6.05 -20.03 23.98% 194.42
    NJN window 7/ 7 tm 11.23 -8.71 -19.94 14.09% 172.93
    NJN varies 46/ 46 ( 19.24)( 14.35)( 14.12)( 59.98%) 1164.38

    20 POR LaMarcus Aldridge 7.69 3.77 -3.92 30.72% 1789.65 1.3095
    POR last 3/ 49 -0.04 -1.68 -1.64 19.85% 123.20
    POR last 5/ 49 7.81 2.71 -5.10 30.56% 192.67
    POR last 8/ 49 4.06 1.89 -2.18 23.90% 305.24
    POR window 6/ 6 tm 7.45 2.81 -4.63 35.02% 226.91
    POR varies 49/ 49 ( 15.23)( 13.36)( 8.97)( 50.43%) 1789.65

    *******
    POINTS= OFFENSE-DEFENSE IMPACT% MINUTES Z-SCORE

    21 UTA Mehmet Okur 6.72 3.48 -3.24 35.80% 1491.46 1.3032
    UTA last 3/ 43 22.27 9.73 -12.54 69.04% 104.35
    UTA last 5/ 43 14.79 9.82 -4.97 49.40% 173.36
    UTA last 8/ 43 7.97 5.26 -2.71 32.81% 272.60
    UTA window 7/ 7 tm 8.89 5.80 -3.09 37.37% 250.76
    UTA varies 43/ 43 ( 14.34)( 10.51)( 10.17)( 43.33%) 1491.46

    22 MIN Sebastian Telfair 5.65 1.78 -3.87 46.12% 1126.73 1.2886
    MIN last 3/ 44 5.53 -0.43 -5.96 55.48% 92.25
    MIN last 5/ 44 4.88 6.03 1.15 44.59% 160.05
    MIN last 8/ 44 4.11 1.89 -2.22 49.30% 254.67
    MIN window 8/ 8 tm 4.11 1.89 -2.22 49.30% 254.67
    MIN varies 44/ 44 ( 15.03)( 14.42)( 14.56)( 41.52%) 1126.73

    23 DAL Dirk Nowitzki 7.04 7.08 0.04 30.27% 1836.86 1.2430
    DAL last 3/ 49 4.89 2.60 -2.29 36.74% 115.33
    DAL last 5/ 49 16.08 7.51 -8.57 56.35% 189.51
    DAL last 8/ 49 14.55 10.92 -3.63 44.59% 291.47
    DAL window 7/ 7 tm 12.94 9.48 -3.45 43.81% 254.69
    DAL varies 49/ 49 ( 18.02)( 10.46)( 13.44)( 47.24%) 1836.86

    24 PHO Steve Nash 11.71 14.90 3.19 18.33% 1497.80 1.2248
    PHO last 3/ 44 7.52 21.05 13.53 -4.42% 93.21
    PHO last 5/ 44 3.44 19.26 15.82 -12.94% 173.73
    PHO last 8/ 44 4.17 15.48 11.31 1.84% 263.71
    PHO window 7/ 7 tm 8.98 18.86 9.89 8.29% 242.28
    PHO varies 44/ 44 ( 17.71)( 12.53)( 12.46)( 57.52%) 1497.80

    25 TOR Chris Bosh 10.15 7.38 -2.77 19.85% 1948.03 1.2039
    TOR last 3/ 51 -0.33 4.72 5.04 6.45% 97.50
    TOR last 5/ 51 -3.84 2.34 6.18 4.43% 172.91
    TOR last 8/ 51 5.99 6.86 0.87 20.57% 286.96
    TOR window 6/ 8 tm 0.70 3.85 3.15 14.38% 210.41
    TOR varies 51/ 51 ( 15.42)( 10.30)( 12.11)( 49.95%) 1948.03

    26 LAL Lamar Odom 8.25 4.25 -4.01 22.85% 1254.11 1.1732
    LAL last 3/ 46 11.66 10.50 -1.16 65.37% 106.50
    LAL last 5/ 46 9.70 11.30 1.61 52.25% 159.61
    LAL last 8/ 46 5.18 5.94 0.76 15.76% 242.97
    LAL window 7/ 7 tm 3.36 3.99 0.63 16.49% 220.27
    LAL varies 46/ 46 ( 20.55)( 15.10)( 13.85)( 59.77%) 1254.11

    27 CHI Ben Gordon 6.83 7.33 0.50 27.49% 1836.72 1.1702
    CHI last 3/ 51 3.17 15.05 11.88 12.35% 104.44
    CHI last 5/ 51 9.82 15.52 5.71 33.15% 175.44
    CHI last 8/ 51 6.75 10.05 3.30 18.38% 281.08
    CHI window 7/ 7 tm 9.66 10.82 1.16 26.96% 249.30
    CHI varies 51/ 51 ( 14.18)( 10.62)( 12.34)( 45.11%) 1836.72

    28 PHI Thaddeus Young 6.68 2.44 -4.24 28.05% 1662.23 1.1680
    PHI last 3/ 49 14.82 5.86 -8.96 29.69% 105.76
    PHI last 5/ 49 5.90 -1.58 -7.48 0.21% 189.84
    PHI last 8/ 49 7.16 1.40 -5.76 21.08% 296.87
    PHI window 7/ 7 tm 7.49 -0.44 -7.93 18.03% 258.09
    PHI varies 49/ 49 ( 14.84)( 11.93)( 9.73)( 56.64%) 1662.23

    29 SAS Matt Bonner 9.88 4.38 -5.51 16.08% 1065.79 1.0762
    SAS last 3/ 47 12.41 9.54 -2.88 24.40% 75.24
    SAS last 5/ 47 14.13 9.21 -4.92 35.69% 133.79
    SAS last 8/ 47 8.89 2.57 -6.32 23.54% 200.32
    SAS window 6/ 6 tm 7.80 4.19 -3.61 20.91% 155.16
    SAS varies 47/ 47 ( 22.01)( 16.66)( 15.12)( 60.72%) 1065.79

    30 GSW Andris Biedrins 4.42 1.19 -3.23 35.21% 1548.46 1.0627
    GSW last 3/ 50 20.95 22.70 1.75 86.50% 67.43
    GSW last 5/ 50 15.08 9.25 -5.83 68.29% 115.38
    GSW last 8/ 50 7.95 4.14 -3.80 52.27% 201.71
    GSW window 7/ 7 tm 9.09 4.08 -5.01 51.50% 166.84
    GSW varies 50/ 50 ( 14.19)( 12.77)( 11.53)( 50.93%) 1548.46
     
    #1 madmonkey37, Feb 8, 2009
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    madmonkey37 Contributing Member

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    lol, jason kidd being #2
     
    #2 madmonkey37, Feb 8, 2009
  3. BigBenito

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    This is obviously propaganda to cover up the terrible Kidd trade.
     
    #3 BigBenito, Feb 8, 2009
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    9 MIN Randy Foye 9.09 9.93 0.84 43.24% 1768.34 1.6464


    Anyone who seriously thinks that Randy Foyle is a top 10 player in the league must be delusional.
     
    #4 lalala902102001, Feb 8, 2009
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    this mathematical analysis of the best players doesn't make sense :D
     
    #5 mozart123, Feb 8, 2009
  6. BigBenito

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    The only Spur is Matt Bonner. This is an amazing stat.
     
    #6 BigBenito, Feb 8, 2009
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    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Huh, no one other than Yao on the Rockets...

    DD
     
    #7 DaDakota, Feb 8, 2009
  8. SuperStar

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    These type of list are always so flawed. I think most non bias fan can judge with their eyes better than rearranging some stats.
     
    #8 SuperStar, Feb 8, 2009
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    all garbage.

    if ring-wearing teams like the Lakers, Spurs, Celts, Pistons, bulls, Rox, etc. come up w a system, one would have to listen. at least these teams have won.

    coming from the Mav, it's all horse Sh***
     
    #9 adoo, Feb 8, 2009
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    well.. Artest is no Randy Foye.. and Tracy is no Matt Bonner...
     
    #10 Hmm, Feb 8, 2009
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    Javaris Hayes?
     
    #11 Pringles, Feb 8, 2009
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    Blurr#7 Contributing Member

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    Reading his evaluation methods explains why he needed insider info to save his ass from losing 750,000$.
     
    #12 Blurr#7, Feb 8, 2009
  13. The_Yoyo

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    any list that has kobe at #15 is soo flawed is not even funny.


    jason kidd #2?

    okafor at #8?


    :confused: :confused:
     
    #13 The_Yoyo, Feb 8, 2009
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    I stopped taking it serious when Kidd was listed at 2.

    And Kobe at 15 is laughable.
     
    #14 Shaud, Feb 8, 2009
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    This analysis must have made the Kidd for Harris trade...
     
    #15 Noob Cake, Feb 8, 2009
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    Trying to come up with crazy mathematics to justify the Kidd trade.
     
    #16 TesseracT, Feb 8, 2009
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    It was most likely conveniently shared by Cuban because Kidd is #2 on the list. I wonder what he thinks of Dirk being #23. Is he declining or not being put in position to succeed by Carlisle?
     
    #17 rocketsregle, Feb 8, 2009
  18. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    time to trade the farm for jarvis hayes and sebastian telfair.

    we'd be the only team with 3 players in the top 30.
    :p
     
    #18 smoothie, Feb 8, 2009
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    WhoMikeJames Contributing Member

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    As soon as I saw Jason Kidd at number 2, I knew something was up.
     
    #19 WhoMikeJames, Feb 8, 2009
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    Whatever helps you sleep at night, Cubes. The Kidd trade is still a disaster no matter what spin you try to put on it.
     
    #20 baller4life315, Feb 8, 2009
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