Does Les have a history of filing formal complaints when he thinks things didn't go his way? I don't recall Les having that rep. I noticed you said "Rockets" not Les, and I think that is key, owners should let their employees do their jobs ie. Morey and the front office. And fans don't get to file complaints, the Dallas D-bag does, which he does in spades when his team comes up short, therein lies the difference to me. The "he act's like a regular fan" angle doesn't fly with me since he is an owner with more pull then your average fan.
It doesn't matter. Everything he cites is a legitimate complaint, and I respect the rights of any team to file such a complaint to the league. And in this case, we're not simply talking about a subjective call gone bad. A blatant misapplication of the rules by the refs led to one of their players being ejected. That is similar to the Miami game where Shaq should not have fouled out. Obviously I don't want the game to be replayed, and I don't think it will happen, but I can't blame the Mavs for filing such a protest. I'd want the Rockets to do the same.
Wow. I totally forgot about the game after I got caught up playing a video game. EPIC FAIL on my part... And now for you "Cubans" out there... Mavs "Kleenex" Facial Tissue Now just $1.87 at Walmart.
I did acknowledge he was willing to pay whatever it takes, and I did say his d-bag factor outweighed that. What they did was stole Dirk in the draft, and mixed and matched pieces around him, some worked others didn't. It does not change the fact I still want to punch him in the face.
That should have nothing to do with it. There are no rules to what role an owner is allowed to have as far as basketball operations. Les is more of a backseat owner, while Cuban likes to be a bigger part of the decision-making process. That's not a problem. I am curious which teams file the most complaints. I bet the Rockets are up there, with regards to officiating on Yao.
"Bigger part" is not the phrase I would describe him. I don't think any other owner in the NBA has this rep, hell my mind blanks when I try to think of the Mavs GM's name. Cuban is that meddlesome to me, I know more about the owner then the GM. NFL and MLB have their share of meddling owners, but I don't think any other sports owner has a bigger rep about filing complaints to league offices after losses. At least the Rockets are targeting a specific issue, they aren't filing complaints on other team players going over the back on our players for rebounds. With Cuban, it's anything that he perceives that his team isn't getting a fair shake on, when all along his team gets as many breaks as the next team, maybe more.
I can see why he would be upset. All the money he spent in buying out the refs and they don't follow through...I'd be pretty pissed as well! :grin:
Why are all these people on Cuban's nuts, anyways? What is wrong with you people? It's the MAVERICKS! What's next, calling Bud Adams a class act? Inviting Ricky Pierce and Nate McMillan to the Rockets' oldtimers party? Buying a St. Louis Cardinals T-shirt? Damn, people- OK, he does seem to care about his team, and some of his gripes may be legit, but c'mon- suing your former coach for fear of giving away trade secrets? That's downright pathetic.
top 5? In what league? Lakers, Pistons, Spurs, Suns, Jazz (ugh, yes, I know) all rate higher than the Mavs. Technically, any team that won a championship would, too, so the Heat and Celtics would have to be up there, as well.
He said "for the most part" because there are always times when refs affect the games. But crying every time is pathetic, especially for a multi-billionaire NBA exec. Fair point. But the fact that no other NBA owners complain as he does and the fact that he's a complete hypocrite about it make him an easy target. The only one of any real substance was the clear path foul. That was kinda hazy. BTW did we score on the subsequent possessions after that? I don't remember. The illegal review ended up benefiting the Mavericks, they just didn't capitalize. It should ahve been a personal foul then Rockets ball. Instead they got 2 free throws and the ball. We also got a free throw which we shouldn't ahve got, but they got an increased opportunity to score that they shouldn't have had. The fact that they missed a free throw and and didn't hit the following shot is their fault, not the refs. Then of course theres the Kidd play which we got shafted on, but at this point that doesn't matter.
It's funny how this would work in years past. I guess with all the scrutiny.. the ref's are a little picky on who they take money from this year
I wonder how full Cuban's complaints to the league file folder is. Maybe he has more than one. Maybe he has a whole file cabinet to himself.
Your response was well thought out and presented in a very fair way -- something that is happening less and less on this site (and all across the internet these days). Unfortunately earlier responses by dandorotik were rude, idiotic, quite immature. I'm not one to get offended by anything on the internet (because...it's the freaking internet). In this instance I was dumbfounded by the remarks simply because I dare to suggest an open, differing view. I expect that in crap message boards, but this place is the best I've experienced for fair discussions of opinion. Now I would simply ignore dandorotik's comments, chalking it up to blind homerism and immaturity. Shockingly, according to his/her profile, dandorotik was born in 1967 (allegedly). His comments were petty, for a 42 year old. I expect that from 16 year olds, who are more than likely 13, think Steve Francis was the best Rocket ever and think the Rockets are dumb for not giving him another shot. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and this situation involving Mark Cuban is no different. However I cannot understand how many of the individuals who have posted in this thread haven't stopped to think "What if the bad officiating happened to the Rockets instead?" Livid is an emotion too light to describe the "end of the world" anger that would appear here. As would the "MAN, CUBAN RIGGED IT!!!1 " ========= I'm a huge Rockets fan and I've watched a ton of NBA games, so anyone would have to be foolish to suggest the calls weren't bad and that the game was fair. But jedicro: thank you for at least commenting with sensibility. Regarding the points you made, I'll counter: CLEAR PATH - It was obvious that the Dallas defender was in front of the play. He beat Lowry to the frontcourt. Official Rules are clear: If a fast break starts in a team’s backcourt and a defender fouls any offensive player when the team is going to score an easy basket, a clear path foul has occurred. When the foul happens, no defender can be ahead of the ball where he could defend against the easy basket. http://www.nba.com/features/misunderstoodrules_051128.html Lowry made the free throws (you can't assume he makes the layup, and if a regular foul was called instead, the foul wouldn't have been a shooting foul). Regardless of what occurred in the retained possession that followed, that did benefit Houston. TIMING - Appeared there was a full second left on the clock when the ball touched the ground. AT LEAST .2 - .3 SHOULD HAVE been added. I'm miffed as to why time was not added. It was evident and inexplicable to me. FLAGRANT/TECHNICAL FOUL REVIEW - The referees conferred after Brooks' intentional Flagrant 1 Foul (which was accurate). The referees assumed the following was within their abilities: Rule 13 Section I. a - Instant Replay Additions Instant Replay review will be triggered automatically in the following situations: (5) - A called Flagrant Foul/Penalty 2 (6) - Altercations The rule also allows for: - The identity of all players involved in the altercation, action immediately prior to and immediately following altercation. - The level of involvement of each player. - The appropriate penalty to be assessed against each player. http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html Unfortunately, that is the procedure for solely the Flagrant Foul Penalty 2. Cuban contends a replay review cannot be used in the Flagrant Foul 1 scenario. That's a valid point to make, and something the league will have to address. This means that the rules will have to be amended to cover Flagrant Foul 1 penalties, something that should have already been a rule. Again, as current rules stipulate, a Flagrant Foul Penalty 1 does not grant referees the authority to review via replay, in an effort to sort out the altercation (Dampier's elbow). ======= Do I think it was the right call? By rule, no. But it was the "right" thing to do. The intentions of the referees were good in the final instance, but it was still the wrong procedure.
^ I agree with most of your points. Fortunately for us, some of the mishaps that the referees had benefited the Rockets. There's nothing more a fan or player can ask for than consistency from the refs, something that we have not see this year.
I agree completely He would spend the money on the stros but I dont like the Mavericks because of him and his whinning.
Any rockest fan with a pulse can see that he has valid points on all the mentioned calls. ......now should they care is another conversation entirely.
