Probably- the only reason he was out was the injury thing, and I don't think there's anything that says he can't be in if he's on the Mavericks roster and is healthy if they do the replay.
We all know his intentions. Get Dirk and Dampier back in the last minute and hope to make a final push for a win. There is nothing cheaper than to attempt to fish out a win by asking for last minute replays.
I think you are right. since he shot the free throws after the elbow he would still be eligible... he could have returned to the game that night. if they had someone else shoot the free throws he would not be eligible. that is why they made him stay in and shoot lefty...
yes, that's what I was trying to reiterate to that other poster before being called ludicrous- in almost every game, you can find an instance of where a player did or did not commit a foul. And that's exactly what Cuban's arguing now- he's no longer protesting against the referees reviewing something that supposedly wasn't reviewable, he's complaining that Dampier shouldn't have received a technical because he didn't throw an elbow. So, do you see the hypocrisy here? He said he was going to protest that they reviewed something that they weren't supposed to review, now he's stating that, based on a review, they should rescind the technical against Dampier, which means that he's now approving the review. How twisted is that? It just makes the Mavs more of a laughingstock, if you ask me, or rather Cuban.
Don't be a fool. You are leading people on to jump to the conclusion that the game will be replayed. As stated, the only time a game was replayed was a clerical error. This game will not be replayed since it's a judgment call. Judgment calls are never replayed. What this will lead to is a clarification of the rules. And if this was a clerical error and the game did end up being replayed from that moment in OT, yes Dirk would be eligible, but so would Landry. That is not the case and this game will not be replayed. Judgment calls do not work the same way as clerical errors.
Matchup: Lakers at Spurs Date: Nov. 30, 1982 Scenario: The Spurs claimed misapplication of the lane violation rule with 3 seconds left. Ruling: Protest was upheld on grounds that the error clearly affected the outcome of the game. then-NBA commissioner Larry O'Brien upheld a request for a replay by the San Antonio Spurs after their 137-132 double-overtime loss to the Los Angeles Lakers the previous month. The Spurs and Lakers finished the game in April 1983, with San Antonio winning 117-114. Matchup: Nets at 76ers Date: Nov. 8, 1978 Scenario: Nets claimed misapplication of technical foul rule in second quarter resulting in four unwarranted free throws and ejection of their head coach. Ruling: Protest upheld on grounds that the error clearly affected the outcome of the game. And I'm the fool.
He's saying the league would make Dallas play that final 1:01 here in Houston when the Mavs visit on the 31st. It's the only reasonable option to pacify Cuban's request since the Rockets don't go back to Dallas this season. There is absolutely no way the NBA would make a team travel on an off-day to go play 1:01 in another city. Not as long as they have another scheduled game that season. They're dumb sometimes, but not that dumb.
I know that, but I'm referring to Cuban- in his protest, he, Cuban, is actually asking that the 1:01 be replayed in Dallas. I know they wouldn't do it, but that's actually what Cuban requested in his formal protest.
I understand that's what he's asking for, but I'm saying there is zero chance of it happening so if they offered to let them replay it before the game on the 31st, he'd have to take it or leave it.
Absolutely. My point was simply that Cuban would have the audacity to include that. It's just not going to happen- just for the subjective nature that is a part of technical fouls, there's no way it will be replayed. I think.
Yes, because any woman would want to date you based on your looks and not your money. Perfect picture- sums up Cuban without me even having to say a word. Weren't you the one who was calling me "immature"? Do you think having more money makes Cuban a better person? Do you think I'd even want to have sex with the skanks Cuban pays when I'm completely happy with the love of my life? Man, hjg, you have got serious problems if you have to resort to this kind of stuff. How about my examples? Can't admit you're wrong so you have to do this? Wow, what a class act you are. Bravo. IFSFLLY.
dando vs, hjg, take it elsewhere. this is a good thread with some good info in out outside of this pissing match... this is quite an interesting situation and could lead to some rule changes. I'm interested in Stern's response...
Well, now, let's not be too hasty here, across110thstreet...... ...I mean, as pissing matches go, this one's whizzing along fine.... ...and as much of a cat-trapper and dictator as David Stern has become over the years, I'd be interested in how he responds to Mark Cuban's request here. The crux of dandorotik's argument here, to me, is Cuban's relentless assault on the "integrity" of the game. These game are not only played by fallible human beings, but are officiated by infallible human beings, as well. Technology has become something that can seem to, under the right circumstances, remove some of that subjectivity in order to at least meet out justice when it is grossly miscarried. The point of keenest interest, like dandorotik pointed out earlier, is that no matter how letter-of-the-law correct Cuban's assertations may be (in hindsight, no less), the impetus for them all stems from an intense desire to change the circumstances in hopes of a better ending for the team he loves (and owns). This gambit would only be seen as harmless (if thoroughly irritating) homerism, if not for Cuban's position as the Dallas Maverick's owner. He has access to the rules and the authority of the league that most of us (who would probably attempt much of the same things with the same opportunity) that automatically threaten the "integrity" Cuban professes to defend with these charades. The "integrity" at stake here, is the nature of competition. Competition between the athletes who, more than any other entity involved, determine the outcomes of the games they play. Good call and bad calls, and dealing with and overcoming those calls, and dealing with bad shooting performances and short-handedness and hostile crowds and everything else that goes with the "integrity" of the game.... ...is part of the nature of competition that Cuban (and by extension, the Mavericks), are dangerously in sight of losing...if it hasn't happened already. The only response I'm interested in from David Stern, is to take Cuban's "petition" and put it into the nearest waste receptacle. And the sooner, the better......
Yes, some of which I'm supplying- as in the precedent that a team which lost protested, had the game replayed, and won (SA vs. LA, 1982). I can't help he's being an idiot. But you're right- should be an interesting call. http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_f.html?nav=ArticleList Protests are not permitted during the course of a game. In order to file a protest, the procedure, as set forth in the NBA constitution, is as follows: "In order to protest against or appeal from the result of a game, notice thereof must be given to the Commissioner within forty-eight (48) hours after the conclusion of said game, by E-mail or fax, stating therein the grounds for such protest. No protest may be filed in connection with any game played during the regular season after midnight of the day of the last game of the regular schedule. A protest in connection with a playoff game must be filed not later than midnight of the day of the game protested. A game may be protested only by a Governor, Alternate Governor or Head Coach. The right of protest shall inure not only to the immediately allegedly aggrieved con-testants, but to any other member who can show an interest in the grounds of protest and the results that might be attained if the protest were allowed. Each E-mail or fax of protest shall be immediately confirmed by letter and no protest shall be valid unless the letter of confirmation is accompanied by a check in the sum of $10,000 payable to the Association. If the member filing the protest prevails, the $10,000 is to be refunded. If the member does not prevail, the $10,000 is to be for-feited and retained in the Association treasury. "Upon receipt of a protest, the Commissioner shall at once notify the member operating the opposing team in the game protested and require both of said mem-bers within five (5) days to file with him such evidence as he may desire bearing upon the issue. The Commissioner shall decide the question raised within five (5) days after receipt of such evidence." And Cuban was saying that the elbow wasn't even thrown, thus no technical should have been assessed, but it's still up to the discretion of the referees: http://www.basketball.com/nba/rules/comments.shtml "If elbow contact is shoulder level or below, it shall be left to the discretion of the official as to whether the player is ejected. Even if a punch or an elbow goes undetected by the officials during the game, but is detected during a review of a videotape, that player will be penalized."
Of course, we all know what a class act Cuban and the Mavs' fans are: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4160606 Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, locked in a verbal sideshow with Denver Nuggets forward Kenyon Martin ever since Saturday's Game 3 of the playoff series against Dallas, apologized to Martin and his mother in his latest posting on his blog. The billionaire team owner has been accused of calling Martin a "thug" or a "punk," depending on the account, but as Cuban said on the early Tuesday morning posting, "That has become irrelevant." "I shouldn't have said anything. Now, the reality is that this has gotten out of hand," Cuban wrote on blogmaverick.com, with the posting titled, "An Apology to Kenyon Martin's Mom." The NBA will take no further action against the Mavs or Cuban for anything that happened over the past few days. "Mark has apologized on his blog and he will be reaching out to Kenyon personally," NBA spokesman Tim Frank said. "We are confident that this will be brought to an intelligent close with an adult conversation." The Nuggets weren't happy with how the situation was resolved. "Obviously we have voiced our concerns regarding the incidents in the stands at last night's game in Dallas with the appropriate people in the league office and have gone through the appropriate channels," Nuggets vice president of player personnel Rex Chapman said Tuesday night. "We take what took place very seriously. "Kenyon said this morning that he would have hoped that any apology [from Cuban] would have been made in private and in person to his mother and himself. Personally I feel this entire ordeal is a silly and sad commentary. Focus should be on these amazing players, the coaches, and the terrific level of basketball being played on the court by both teams." The saga started Saturday night in the heated aftermath of Game 3 in Dallas, when the Nuggets benefited from an NBA-acknowledged officiating mistake and beat the Mavericks 106-105 for a 3-0 series lead. Cuban stalked across the court, blew off steam at the scorer's table, then headed down a hall leading away from the court. Martin's mother, Lydia Moore, was wearing a Nuggets jersey and was standing near the base of the section he walked past, clearly in his view. According to Cuban, a fan called the Nuggets "thugs," and he looked at Moore and said, "That includes your son." However, Martin's agent told The Denver Post that Cuban said, "Your son is a punk." During Monday's shootaround in Dallas, Martin vowed to take care of things himself. "It's a little personal, and I'm going to take care of it," he said. "I'm not going to do the whole media thing, back and forth. That's his thing. I'm more of a face-to-face type of dude." Said Nuggets coach George Karl: "Kenyon's a man. He doesn't want to discuss his problems with [reporters]. He wants to discuss his problems with Mark. I would prefer he probably do it in the summertime. That would probably be best served for both of them. Let the emotion go away and go have dinner." According to The Denver Post, Monday night's Game 4 in Dallas proved no less incendiary. Someone poured beer on Martin's mother, and Martin's girlfriend was subjected to repeated obscenities. La La Vasquez, Carmelo Anthony's wife, ended up shouting back at the Mavericks fans, and left the game in the fourth quarter. Martin had to find his mother in the crowd in the second period to check up on her, and even Nuggets coach Jamahl Mosley left his spot on the bench to check on her. "I probably would use an uglier word than hostile," Karl said of the crowd Monday night. "I don't think it was very classy." Chapman was in the crowd. "Short of a game I saw in Belgrade a couple of years ago where they were throwing chairs and setting off flares, it was about as dangerous a venue I've been in," Chapman told The Denver Post. Chauncey Billups, who said his wife also got into a confrontation Monday night, acknowledged the Nuggets were worried about what was happening in the stands. "It's a distraction. You get your family to travel and try to support you -- it's the only support that you have in the arena -- but you've got to worry about their safety and their well-being," Billups said. "And that's not right." Billups added that "families should always be off-limits. They're coming to enjoy the game, support their loved ones." The Mavericks took Tuesday off and Martin, who exchanged words with Cuban as he left the court after the game, didn't speak with reporters following the team's short film session Tuesday. But Billups called Cuban's apology inadequate. "No, that's unacceptable, man. That's just not right. You're the owner of a team. You're held at a different standard as far as professionalism," Billups said. "Yeah, you can root for your team, but that's just not right. That's not acceptable." Which prompted this response in the Denver Post: http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_12340464 To all Denver Fans and the city of Denver. I have lived in Dallas for 28 years and am a devote Mavs fan. Please accept my apologies on behalf of the entire city of Dallas for the moron who calls himself Mark Cuban. Please don't think that everyone in Texas is a jerk because one super immature kid lucked up and came into some money and bought a basketball team. Even all of the media down here is all over him for being unbearable obnoxious. You have a fine team and have earned each win, no matter what Cuban says. The thing that we all hate the most is that his antics fires other teams up, the officials, and the league against the Mavs. Unfortunately, there is not much that we can do about it. Hopefully the league will ban him from being on the floor. Maybe that will keep him out of site and out of mind, but I doubt it. Sorry, I'm that ticked about this whole situation. I will refrain from hijacking this thread any more, and I apologize, Rockets fans.
