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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Jun 9, 2018.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    I agree. Relying upon border enforcement, walls, deportations and etc.. isn't going to be able to deal with the situation as long as the supply and demand difference between the US and regional countries exists. As much as people don't like the idea of globalization or foreign aid building up these countries through investment and making them more stable is the only way long term to address the immigration situation.

    We also need to realize that our while we have issues demographically the native born population of the US can't keep up with maintaining our economy by bringing in more immigrants at all levels will help to maintain the longterm success of our economy.
     
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  3. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    The southern border was once “open”. Mexican comes for summer (farm) job and leave. They don’t actually stay. That happens after the border was closed the Mexican didn’t want to risk getting caught by illegally crossing it multiple times. Ironic isn’t it? But more importantly, it speaks to a need for a legal way to for these people to work here temporary and leave to go back to their country and families.

    The issue with the migrants who are asking for asylum is different. That’s due to unstable gov and violence. I don’t know the volume but historically, we have taken in hundreds of thousand of asylum seeker in a short period of time during these humane crisis elsewhere. Last I check, we aren’t broken and we are as strong as ever. We can probably manage a large influx based on legal ground and we must work to stabilize the regions at the same time. There is already a legal procedure for this, though it’s a bigger mess because we have cut staffing to handle the situation and we have grown allergic to doing humane thing and have learn to fear everything of certain foreign origins.

    Illegal immigration shouldn’t happen. Legal shouldn’t also happen. Lol. But of course,
    illegal immigrant that is 2x the issue of our southern border over the last decade isn’t a political issue - visa overstate. Wonder why.
     
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    The sheer number of kids being trafficked is challenging but Joe will do what's best.
     
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  5. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    How many ?
     
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    He's got a fuzzy feeling.

    It's fuzzy math.

    It's frightening knowing one of the pervasive traits of the modern conservative is projection when they constantly harp on child trafficking.

    What are they doing to their kids behind closed doors?:eek:
     
  7. rocketsjudoka

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    Yes illegal visa overstays is a bigger problem and building a wall won't stop it.

    I'm for allowing migrant labor and a labor guest program. The closer we can get to making our immigration laws more in line with the supply and demand issue that exist the easier and safer it will be to deal with immigration issues.
     
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  8. Astrodome

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    You are out of line.
     
  9. rocketsjudoka

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    The only reason there are so many children being sent is a sign of how desperate things are for migrants. If we reform our immigration system so that they don't feel they need to risk their children alone just for a chance at a better life this problem will drop. If we can help address the issues in their own countries there will be even less impetus to try to come to the US.
     
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    "DHS Secretary Predicts Migrant Surge Will Break 20-Year Record, Blames Trump Policies":

    https://www.yahoo.com/now/dhs-secretary-predicts-migrant-surge-140917391.html

    excerpt:

    Homeland Security secretary Alejandro Mayorkas warned that the number of illegal immigrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico border could reach levels not seen in 20 years, in a Tuesday statement on the emerging border crisis.

    Mayorkas blamed the crisis on a confluence of poverty and violence in Mexico and the Northern Triangle countries, natural disasters including November hurricanes and the coronavirus pandemic, and the Trump administration’s policies. There are currently over 4,000 unaccompanied minors detained in Border Patrol facilities, with another 9,000 in care of the Department of Health and Human Services.

    “The situation at the southwest border is difficult,” Mayorkas said in his statement. “We are on pace to encounter more individuals on the southwest border than we have in the last 20 years. We are expelling most single adults and families. We are not expelling unaccompanied children.”

    Mayorkas noted that influxes of migrants have occurred in 2019, 2014, and in previous years.

    “Poverty, high levels of violence, and corruption in Mexico and the Northern Triangle countries have propelled migration to our southwest border for years,” Mayorkas said.

    U.S. Customs and Border Protection has reported that over 100,000 migrants attempted to cross the border in February, up 28 percent from the previous month and triple the number of migrants in February 2019. Many migrants believe that Biden will institute looser immigration policies.

    “Biden promised us that everything was going to change,” Gladys Oneida Pérez Cruz, a migrant from Honduras, told The New York Times on Sunday. “He hasn’t done it yet, but he is going to be a good president for migrants.” Pérez and her son, who has cerebral palsy, were turned away from the U.S. after smugglers claimed that the border was open.

    Mayorkas also blamed the Trump administration for the crisis, saying it “completely dismantled the asylum system,” and “cut foreign aid funding to the Northern Triangle.”
    more at the link
     
  11. DonnyMost

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    The caravan will get here any moment!
     
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    Hard problem to solve. Poor people want a better live, but the US cannot take them all. Well actually there is a way, make south and central America better so people there won't have to leave their home country.
     
  13. rocketsjudoka

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    The US economy could take much more and prior to COVID-19 when the economy was at record employment there was still a big demand for skilled and unskilled labor.
     
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    "Children Are Sleeping on Mats in Overcrowded Border Facilities":

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/15/us/border-migrant-children-texas.html

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    Migrant children are being forced to sleep on gym mats with foil sheets and go for days without showering as the Border Patrol struggles to handle thousands of young Central Americans who are surging across the southwestern border, some of them as young as a year old.

    Children are arriving in groups and alone, some of them clutching phone numbers of relatives scrawled on little pieces of paper, according to two court-appointed lawyers who are monitoring conditions at facilities along the border. Many of the children interviewed by the lawyers in recent days said they had not been allowed outdoors for days on end, confined to an overcrowded tent.

    “It’s an urgent situation. These children are caught up in a crisis,” said Leecia Welch, a lawyer who visited a holding facility for migrant children in Donna, Texas, that was built to house 250 people but which last week was holding about 1,000.

    More than 9,400 minors — ranging from young children to teenagers — arrived along the border without parents in February, a nearly threefold increase over last year at the same time, presenting the Biden administration with an urgent humanitarian challenge as it opens the door to children and gradually welcomes in families fleeing violence and poverty in Central America.

    Two Department of Homeland Security officials confirmed on Monday that the administration planned to shelter thousands of teenage boys at a convention center in downtown Dallas. The administration is opening another temporary facility in Midland, Texas, at a former camp for oil field workers. The Department of Health and Human Services is also considering a proposal to house migrants at a NASA site, Moffett Federal Airfield, in Mountain View, Calif.
    more at the link
     
  15. StupidMoniker

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    100,000 people tried to cross in a single month. The caravan is arriving every day.
     
  16. Nook

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    It has been this way for many decades........ If someone has a problem, the cat is out of the bag... and I am not going to be concerned now because it is political convenient for someone .
     
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    Just don’t mess with plants pets old people or young people and we will be good
     
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    Their countries are ****. The truth is a majority of those in Latin America would try to come to America. How would a reformed immigration system fix that?
     
  19. DonnyMost

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    Yep. Miss me with this border concern trolling bullshit. Same with the deficit crap. And I'm sure the ISIS boogeyman talking points are right around the corner too.

    Same old **** from a party with zero ideas.
     
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    "Trump is gone. America's appalling treatment of migrant kids continues":

    https://theweek.com/donald-trump/10...-america-sounds-like-the-same-old-culture-war

    commenting on this article in the New York Times:

    "Democrats, Once Outraged, Take a Quieter Approach to Migrant Children":

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/24/us/politics/democrats-migrant-children.html

    and also on this article at Reason:

    "Secret Recordings Reveal Officials Discussing 'Filthy' Conditions of 4,632 Immigrant Kids Held in Texas Tent Camp":

    https://reason.com/2021/05/24/secre...-4632-immigrant-kids-held-in-texas-tent-camp/
     

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