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  1. NewRoxFan

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    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    The GOP will never be able to call themselves the party of family values again.
     
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    That's just your opinion. Many families include anti-[Mexican]immigration among their values.
     
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    Children tortured under Obama administration. Wow.

     
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    If you wanna play that game Trump got a 4 year old raped and her mother threatened with deportation:

     
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    What did trump do to get this girl raped?
     
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    Quoting the article you linked:

    That said... even *if* there were prior instances of abuse (that certainly need to be investigated and prosecuted)... how in the world do you think this somehow makes what is going on RIGHT NOW any better?? If you believe it was wrong under Obama... you can't ignore or excuse it happening now, under trump.

    Face it, your continued efforts to defend the indefensible only make it worse...
     
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    established a culture of fear among immigrants and emboldening border patrol agents enough that they see no consequence to molesting children.
     
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    That's not a border patrol agent. It's not even a federal employee Even if it was this claim is moronic.
     
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    https://www.houstonchronicle.com/lo...+Button&utm_medium=social#asset-photo-1707248

    Flight attendant: I won't work flights that separate immigrant kids from families
    'I will no longer be complicit'

    Several weeks ago, I worked two flights (one to San Antonio and the other to McAllen) which proved to be two of the most disturbing flights I've ever experienced in my career.

    On board these particular flights were ICE agents and migrant children (approximately four to eleven years old) who had been separated from their families and were being flown to a "relocation" site.

    Since working the two flights, the images of those helpless children have burned into my psyche. The little children whose faces were full of fear, confusion, sadness and exhaustion left me somewhat traumatized as it occurred to me a few weeks later that I might as well have been a collaborator in their transport.

    I can't help but think about their journey to their makeshift "homes" which, historically speaking reminds one of another group of people who were forced out of their homes and relocated to ghettos.

    As a result of what I witnessed, I have made a decision that if I'm ever assigned to a flight with children who've been separated from their families, I will immediately remove myself from the trip due to the nature of this unconscionable act by my government and my employer's complicity.

    I have told my story to many of my flight attendant colleagues and they have pledged to do the same.

    Since sharing my story, I learned from a fellow flight attendant that he was lied to by an ICE agent who said the children on the flight were part of a soccer team. When pressed, the agent finally admitted that they were, indeed children who were being relocated to assigned camps.

    I will no longer be complicit and will walk away from any future flight assignments that try to make me a pawn for this disgusting and deplorable cause.





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    Several major U.S. airlines told the federal government Wednesday they don't want their planes used to transport migrant kids who've been separated from their parents.

    American Airlines was the first to do it. United, Frontier, Southwest and Alaska followed suit. Delta said it was against the practice of separating families at the border but didn't call for the government to refrain from using its planes to transport the kids. https://www.newsy.com/stories/airlines-denounce-trump-administration-family-separation/
     
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    yeah that's the point. You trying to pin the abuse of a teen on Obama is not the same as Trump establishing a zero tolerance approach that have thousands of of children separated from their parents. Trump ordered this. Obama didn't order a teen to get abused.
     
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    You still pushing the false narrative that legitimate asylum seekers were split up? LOL, this is a good reason why propaganda targeting ignorant people is so effective.
     
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    Obama must of created a culture of fear right? Embolden these border agents? Am I doing this right? And it's not 'a teen', it was many. The point was not blame obama for some of his shitty employees . The point was to show your manufacted, selective outrage.
     
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    You've got to get with the program, Obama can do no wrong, he's a saint in the eyes of these knuckle draggers and Trump is literally Hitler in their mind. No amount of fact or logic is going to change their mind, it's the result of a pathological condition.
     
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    I think you're right. I think there is a more complex set of drivers because I don't think people generally pick up and go to foreign lands when life at home is peachy. But, given our track record over the last half-century, would-be immigrants know that (1) Americans and unwilling and/or unable to enforce their immigration laws and (2) we have a few times in the past relented on the persecution of illegals because we'd let the problem get too big. It is pretty reasonable for the would-be immigrant to assume that they'll be able to get in and likely stay if they keep their head down and that somewhere down the road there will be relief for their children, and if nothing else the American authorities might neglect or mistreat you but they probably won't torture you or murder you. If you see that and your prospects at home are miserable and dangerous, yeah you might take the risk.

    I suppose it wasn't a long drive for Obama to get over to Virginia from DC. But given that there is this potential for abuse at detention centers, we should be seeking to absolutely minimize their use.

    Trump has attacked sanctuary city policies, giving illegals a well-founded fear of reporting crimes against them to the police. Perps know this, and can use this vulnerability to exploit illegals, as this guy did. When the sanctuary city debate was raging, this outcome was obvious to anyone with half a brain. I'm not at all surprised by this story and I'm sure there are thousands more just like it that I'll never hear about. Local police should not be used to enforce immigration policy. It fundamentally undermines their mission.

    I think the next step is reuniting separated families asap. We should not deport any adult without first re-uniting them with the children they came with. Neither should we be detaining those adults as we "look" for their children. That would be a formula for indefinite detention. Let the parent go catch & release style until you've located their kids. You won't need to worry about them not showing up when you call because they'll want to be able to pick up their kids. If they're to be deported, you can deport them at that time.
     
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    Obama did wrong. He wasn’t perfect. No president can be. You can’t compare him to Trump who has ruined the reputation of the country and has alienated us from allies we’ve had for 50 years.

    Trump took us out of the UN Human right counsel.

    He’s a pathological liar that has turned the clock back to the 80s with this Star Wars bullshit
     
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    So did clinton. Bush never had us in.
     

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