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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Jun 9, 2018.

  1. adoo

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    once again, Bobbi the small publicizing his willful ignorance !
     
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  2. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    No matter the mental gymnastics you try your party can’t spin this into a win.

    You are dehumanizing people who the public aren’t seeing as a threat to them.

    People aren’t going to fall for that ****.
     
  3. Amiga

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    Yet, another article from pediatrician... if you are willing to consider the impact on Children, then please consider what professionals said

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-kraft-border-separation-suit-20180503-story.html

    I've been a pediatrician for 30 years. I've cared for thousands of children, providing support for parents to encourage their babies' development, and recommendations to guide them through the joys and challenges of parenting. I've helped navigate children and families through illness, developmental disabilities and life-threatening conditions. Recently though, I met a little girl in a border town in Texas who will forever stand out in my mind. Unlike the patients I've treated in my exam room, I was helpless to comfort her.

    The little girl was a toddler, her face splotched red from crying, her fists balled up in frustration, pounding on a play mat in the shelter for unaccompanied children run by the Department of Health and Human Services' Office of Refugee Resettlement. No parent was there to scoop her up, no known and trusted adult to rub her back and soothe her sobs. The staff members at the center tried their best, and shared my heartbreak while watching this child writhe on the floor, alone.

    We knew what was wrong, but we were powerless to help. She wanted her mother. And the only reason she could not be with her mother was because immigration authorities had forcibly separated them when they crossed the border into the United States. The mother was detained, and the little girl was handed over to the shelter as an "unaccompanied" child.

    Since October, the federal government has separated more than 700 children from their parents as they entered the United States, according to Office of Refugee Resettlement data reviewed by the New York Times. Most of these families have requested asylum. Officials at the Department of Homeland Security claim they act solely "to protect the best interests of minor children." But the White House has vocally supported the idea of family separation as a deterrent to keep migrant families from the U.S. border.

    On Friday, a San Diego federal court judge will hear directly from lawyers representing parents whose children have been taken from them. The American Civil Liberties Union will request a nationwide injunction to reunite hundreds of families and to stop future separations. Pediatricians have submitted affidavits in this case, challenging the government's actions and sharing physicians' perspectives on the toll the practice takes on children.

    Studies overwhelmingly demonstrate the irreparable harm caused by breaking up families. Prolonged exposure to highly stressful situations — known as toxic stress — can disrupt a child's brain architecture and affect his or her short- and long-term health. A parent or a known caregiver's role is to mitigate these dangers. When robbed of that buffer, children are susceptible to learning deficits and chronic conditions such as depression, post-traumatic stress disorder and even heart disease. The government's practice of separating children from their parents at the border counteracts every science-based recommendation I have ever made to families who seek to build, and not harm, their children's intellectual and emotional development.

    These parents are given two untenable options. They can return with their children to their home country and the conditions that forced them to flee in the first place. Or they can endure being detained sometimes halfway across the country from their children. Contact is often limited. The separation makes it hard for parents to provide support for the child's asylum request. In some cases, parents have been deported, leaving a child behind in government custody.

    The American Academy of Pediatrics has written to the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security — now Kirstjen Nielsen — on at least five occasions opposing the forced separation of parents and children at the border. More than 200 child welfare, juvenile justice and child development organizations signed a letter urging Nielsen to abandon any plans to systematically separate children from their families. Members of Congress have spoken out in opposition. And yet we know the practice continues.

    As Friday's hearing takes place in San Diego, we turn to the judicial system to right this wrong, for the sake of the little girl I saw suffering in Texas, and for the hundreds of other families torn apart by the country they turned to for refuge.

    Dr. Colleen Kraft is the president of the American Academy of Pediatrics. She practices medicine in Mission Viejo.
     
  4. SF3isBack!!

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    No one here is gonna believe your bullshit, we already know the truth Im not sure why you even post at this point. I guess you're hoping for one random to believe you or it makes you feel good to annoy people. Either way your posts are pathetic blatant and obvious lies and you're not fooling anyone.
     
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  5. Bobbythegreat

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    People are clearly falling for the DNC propaganda targeting stupid people, and that was probably to be expected. The ignorant masses are often swayed by emotional lies. If you counter it with logic, it'll only work on intelligent people, so in the end you have to just concede if you want to sway back the stupid people that make up the majority of the country.
     
  6. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    I guess Trump fell for it too. You're right about not intelligent though...this makes the hole just a little less deeper.
     
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  7. Astrodome

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    The trip to the USA isn't humane. Which happens first?
     
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    Sid Miller: Trump ‘zero tolerance’ policy is ‘fake news’

    Texas Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller insisted Tuesday that President Donald Trump does not have a “zero-tolerance” immigration policy at the southern border.

    “That’s fake news,” Miller said in a phone call with the American-Statesman. “Trump has not issued a zero-tolerance policy. That’s incorrect. Untrue. Fake news.”

    https://www.statesman.com/news/stat...ance-policy-fake-news/g4zXeZ9RZbZ4B1zS9YT2mK/
     
  9. Amiga

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    How they get here, in those condition, speak to their desperation. It's certainly isn't a justification for our actions. It almost sound like you are saying, they weren't humanely treated first, thus it's ok for us to be inhuman. If that's what you are doing, you are trying to rationalize something that I think you do not approve. I know you have kids recently so I think you can understand the impact on children being ripped apart from family.
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    It's not a matter of "falling for it" it's a matter of getting rid of the wedge issue after it was clear that the ignorant masses fell for the DNC propaganda and were too damn dumb to see it for what it was even when it was explained to them.
     
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    Here is one reason why nielson has to go... how can anyone listen to her and expect any degree of honesty after this past week's worth on lies...

     
  13. Astrodome

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    No, that it not what I am saying. But I am saying that their living conditions improve once they hit America.

    You think that a shitty, long trip struggling to survive = humane conditions
    Air conditioned, games, roof over their head and free food = inhumane.
     
  14. NewRoxFan

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    It appears more corporations were voicing their condemnation... for example:
     
  15. NewRoxFan

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    Interesting... timing:

     
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    and trump's dhs responds to United, American, and Frontier... either misunderstanding or misstating the reasons these airline leaders have spoken out against the trump policy to separate children from their families.

     
  17. NewRoxFan

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    Here's Frontier Airlines statement:

     
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    https://www.dailywire.com/news/3209...ant-ben-shapiro?amp&__twitter_impression=true

     
  19. JuanValdez

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    The old policy, as I understand it, was that the children were housed in these detention centers until some legal resident family member came forward to claim responsibility for them, or else they found placement in a foster home. With the new EO, do migrant families still the option of placing their child with a legal resident relative if they choose? Reading the text, it sounds like that is now precluded: "...maintain custody of alien families during the pendency of any criminal improper entry or immigration proceedings involving their members." Link. I think the opportunity to place a child with a legal family member should exist for the pendency of the adjudication. I would think it would also help the EO deal with the court order from the beginning of this mess that said children cannot be detained -- the Admin can argue the kids are not detained, they are allowed to be with their lawful guardian until and unless that guardian can make alternate arrangement for their care at which time they are free to leave. But, of course I'm no kind of lawyer.
     
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    DACA's "DA" stands for "deferred action". This wave of people is hoping for their own deferred action. If they cannot be stopped and if they cannot be deported, then the same situation will arise.
     
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