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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by jiggyfly, May 17, 2021.

  1. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    Unequal outcomes per individual is expected. But when you have such severe outcome differences that are purely determined by race such as this:

    "Median Value of Wealth by Race FF(03.11.2019) | Tax Policy Center" https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/fiscal-fact/median-value-wealth-race-ff03112019

    Then your train of thought is claiming that Black families deserve to have 1000% less wealth per median household because it came about naturally therefore you are basically claiming that the median white family is 10x better at collecting wealth by merit.
     
  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    CriticalTRUTHTheory.

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  3. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Actually it just means that the median black family has 90% less wealth than the median white family. Could be for any number of reasons, and I don't automatically assume racism is to blame, any more than I assume white people are underrepresented by 90% in the NFL vs. black people as compared to the general population because of racism.
     
  4. fchowd0311

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    1000% less wealth than the median white family.

    See, white people can live a comfortable middle class lifestyle even without grade school math skills. Understand your privilege.;)

    So you think the median black family is 1000% less skillful in accumulating wealth than the median white family?

    Why assume when we have history? We know how it got there and it definitely wasn't because white people are naturally 1000% more skilled at accumulation of wealth. Racism in housing especially redlining where white families horded new homes during suburban housing boom after ww2 during a historically cheap era of housing while not allowing black families to get those cheap homes whole over the decades that followed those white families gained massive equity to pass down to their kids as those home values quadrupled in value is what caused that massive gap.
     
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  5. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    It's actually 90% less wealth than the median white family. 100% less wealth would be zero. 1000% less wealth would be -9x the wealth of the average white family. Didn't you study engineering? Maybe you ate too many crayons. :p
    I think there are too many confounding variables to isolate one. Last year a third of SCOTUS justices were Jewish, far in excess of their representation in the general population, but I don't think there is evidence of an anti-Gentile conspiracy in the United States.
    I think you are pinning too much on redlining. Why do Asian Americans, Middle-Eastern Americans, and African Americans who came more recently all have higher incomes and greater wealth than white Americans? Is racism directed solely at black people whose ancestors came to America before WW2? Jewish Americans were certainly discriminated against, how are they doing?
     
  6. fchowd0311

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    171000/17150 = 9.97

    9.97 * 100 = 997%

    Hence a median White family have ~1000% the wealth of the median black family

    Again, the fact you made it to upper middle class with these smart skills says a lot of your privilege.

    The vast majority of Asians have immigrated here since the 1980s on a selection filter that targets skilled proffesional and people who already have some wealth. Comparing a gen pop data to a group that came through mostly a select filter is dumb.

    And white racist Americans didn't refuse to love in neighborhoods with Jewish people. Jewish peopleovjg into a neighborhood didn't lower the values of the property nearby where the banks felt compelled to deny them mortgages because the banks were afraid of losing value on assets because the market was that racist to Jewish people.

    The thing about racism is it's much easier to single out people who look visually more different and a black family moving into a neighborhood is far more obvious than a Jewish family that looks Caucasian moving in.
     
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    So attributing confounding factors, what is your rough estimate of the percentage of contribution to the 1000% wealth gap is due to the supuroirity of white people creating wealth over Blac people? 10%? 5%? 60%?
     
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    From the FED:

    New data from the 2019 Survey of Consumer Finances (SCF) show that long-standing and substantial wealth disparities between families in different racial and ethnic groups were little changed since the last survey in 2016; the typical White family has eight times the wealth of the typical Black family and five times the wealth of the typical Hispanic family.

    https://www.federalreserve.gov/econ...-2019-survey-of-consumer-finances-0200928.htm
     
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  9. StupidMoniker

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    Yes, white families have 1000% of the wealth of black families. That means black families have 10% of the wealth of white families or, wait for it, 90% less. Surely you know that having 100% less of something than someone else means you have 0. That is what 100% means. Your math skills are as terrible as your argumentation.
    The majority of Hmong and Vietnamese immigrants were refugees fleeing war with nothing. They both beat the median household income in America.
    White Americans are also those who came through a selection filter, they are those who chose to leave Europe and come to America for a better life. For that matter, black slaves also came though a filtration process, they were those who had been captured and sold into slavery by more successful African tribes. Even native Americans are those descended from those who crossed the land bridge across the Bearing Straight.
    AS there is no way to have a control group, the best we can do is look at people who are similarly situated and see what the outcomes are. So you would need to find couples that adopted white and black children, raised them in the same way, and see what their outcomes are. I don't know if such a study has been done or if there would even be a large enough sample size to study. So, I would say this is unknowable.
     
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    Is that taught in every history class? I've never heard of it, but I'm old and only learned about George Washington chopping down a cherry tree.
     
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    Okay this crap is getting out of hand.

    My wife teaches in one of the top 5 UIL ranked schools in the state and this year like half of the school board was wiped out simply because of this misinformation crap being campaigned on by these nuts infiltrating the school board.

    They are all using propaganda about critical race theory and using the phrase radical socialist agenda to smear non political veteran board members who are awesome. Some are at every function and just simply works their butts off to support the kids and the programs. But they are getting kicked off the board at an alarming rate because of this bizarre agenda by people like F-ing Chip Gaines and his sister (who hasn’t been to one school event and hasn’t lived in the district in 25 years) who are QAnon nuts hell bent on destroying public school so everyone will be forced to put their kids in Christian schools.

    Seriously ... Chip Gaines can go Fu$k himself. His show sucked, he’s not funny, and I’m sure his wife’s cooking is gross. Also remodeling a house in a “modern farmhouse” look isn’t special. That’s not design.... that’s pulling crap off the shelf at Lowe’s and calling yourself a designer.

    Did I mention Chip Gaines sucks??
     
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    “What if teachers said we are demonizing black children before they were born?”

    I stopped reading there because they’d be telling the ******* truth. One of my first memories, outside of my home, was experiencing racial discrimination from the dominant society.
     
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    Little kids see the world better than most adults. We need to remember that we are all children of God and love each other.
     
  14. rocketsjudoka

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    Hmong median family income is 2019 is $68,000, the US in 2019 was $68,703 so Hmong are close but not beating the rest of the America. Further Hmong poverty is higher than other Asians and the Americans as a whole.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/fact-sheet/asian-americans-hmong-in-the-u-s/

    Vietnamese median income is $69,800 in 2019 so they are doing better than the rest of America but Vietnamese poverty is higher than Asians as a whole and Americans as a whole.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-...n-americans-vietnamese-in-the-u-s-fact-sheet/
     
  15. rocketsjudoka

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    I'm going to point out another thing regarding Asian Americans. While overall Asians are doing very well most Asians such as my parents' generation came here after Civil Rights and were among the most capable. Prior to that Asians who lived here were not as successful. Even now there are endemic pockets of poverty among the oldest Asian populations in Chinatowns who were here before Asians could live and work as freely as they can since Civil Rights.
     
  16. No Worries

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    I am so ready to move on to ... Uncritical Post-Racism Musings.

    Am I bad person for not giving two sh*ts about CRT? I just can not see having a serious conversation about CTR .. with anyone ... ever. Of course, if I did, I would have find out what the f*ck CRT actually is, which just aint going to happen.
     
  17. jiggyfly

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    I don't think of all progressives as a monolith like you do with moderates, thanks for illustrating my point.

    Are you gonna deny that there is a faction of progressives that go after anything moderate and still think Biden is senile?

    I lay it on specific progressives the ones that come at me.

    You only think I lay it on because you are so thin skinned.

    Do you want to call out the posters who lay it on moderates unprovoked?
     
  18. jiggyfly

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    I spoke out of turn saying it was taught in every class.

    I know it was talked about in U.S. history at a previous school.
     
  19. jiggyfly

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    Gonna be hard to move on its gonna be one of the main Republican talking points leading up to the 2022 election.
     
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    It's weird no one went out of their way to find a concrete definition of CRT after 9 pages. Here's Snopes definition:
     
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