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Critical Race Theory.

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  1. AroundTheWorld

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    LOL @FranchiseBlade being super disingenuous, as usual.

    Why is the D&D such a haven for fringe leftists?
     
  2. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Not saying that. I am saying that it's one of the CORE tenets. This is in fact the whole idea behind social justice. Yet most conservatives pan social justice when a lot of it is simply not understood.

    You don't need us to figure out what CRT is or isn't. That information is in wikipedia.

    But the real question is what your perspective of CRT is, and why is it so threatening, especially when it's not something that is being pushed below the college level. It's a very academic discussion and isn't even something that is widely accepted because some of it is controversial. But I don't think you know what is controversial about it, and what is not.

    Point being is that what CRT is, and what most conservatives are railing against, and what is actually being propose in K-12 education are all 3 very different things.
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    Read this: https://www.heritage.org/civil-righ...eory-the-new-intolerance-and-its-grip-america
     
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    Can you show where?
     
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    So the answer is no. Got it
     
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    CRT is not being taught anywhere, it is a theory that the right is afraid of because it shows White privilidge for what it is.

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    I applaud your creativity.
     
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    That article is really inaccurate. One of the ideas of CRT is that race isn't about skin color but rather a social construct. It actually argues that things like affirmative action are not beneficial. It's not a simple thing and it has no grip on America because it's academic theory that's discussed in universities, not mainstream public outside of it being politicized into a boogeyman.

    In reality, CRT is a theory that subscribes that focusing on individual biases and skin color is a distraction. And that punishing people individually for biases doesn't have impact because the issue is structural. Instead, it's more useful to understand how laws and institutions result in inequality for people.

    How the heck is that saying white people should feel guilty?? The idea that you can teach CRT to an 8th grader is ridiculous - they have no chance of understanding it even.
     
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    I read some of that and will try to get back to read the rest when I have time. While that cites a few of the key figures involved in CRT it doesn’t directly reference scholarly articles. It also conflates a lot of things that are contradictory. For instance claiming they Nietzsche was an influence on CRT yet Nietzsche himself had views that were considered racist and has generally been considered a philosophical emphasis behind Nazism. Much of at least the first part of the critique appears to be more focused on criticizing 19th Century German Philosophers such as Hegel. As noted before Hegel is also seen as underpinning some key points of Fascism. Also given Hegel’s influence the exact same criticism could be applied or the Heritage Foundations view of Conservative thought.
     
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    I’m not teaching anything other than Judo and mentoring some architectural interns these days.

    You said “we all know what CRT is” yet you’re refusing to answer what that is exactly or provide source material from CRT itself.
     
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    can't vouch for any of this, don't want to vouch for any of this. Simply sharing something that I suspect most people have not seen/read

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/virgin...-youngkin-7245a588?mod=hp_opin_pos_4#cxrecs_s

    How a Teachers Union Promotes Critical Race Theory
    A toolkit tells teachers how to push radical ideology on children despite Gov. Youngkin’s ban.
    By The Editorial Board
    March 8, 2023 at 6:31 pm ET

    Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin won election in 2021 in no small part on education policy, including a promise to ban critical race theory in schools. His first executive orderinstructed the Superintendent of Public Instruction to review curricula and end the use of “inherently divisive concepts, including Critical Race Theory.”

    But that hasn’t stopped the Virginia teachers union from using its pipeline to teachers to promote the teaching of a left-wing political agenda and activism. A “toolkit” pushed by the Virginia Education Association (VEA) shows how they do it.

    The Black Lives Matter at School organization promotes an annual “week of action,” which took place Feb. 6-10 this year. The VEA encouraged its members to participate and offered an instruction manual “to be used as a resource guide for advancing racial justice in Virginia’s schools,” as Taisha Steele, director of the Human and Civil Rights division at the VEA, wrote in a memo with the materials.

    By “advancing racial justice,” she means following the highly politicized agenda of the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement. The materials show this isn’t an attempt to teach black history as part of American history, or to fill in the gaps in black history that no doubt have existed in instruction in the past.

    Instead, the toolkit promotes 13 “guiding principles” of the BLM movement. These include “working towards a queer-affirming network where heteronormative thinking no longer exists,” and “the disruption of Western nuclear family dynamics and a return to the ‘collective village’ that takes care of each other.” The idea that the “nuclear family” is a Western construct would certainly surprise Chinese, Indians or Koreans.

    The toolkit includes links to lesson plans, some produced by the left-wing Southern Poverty Law Center’s education branch. One encourages middle- and high-school students to consider the “trans-affirming” BLM principle: “We are committed to being self-reflexive and doing the work required to dismantle cis-gender privilege and uplift Black trans folk, especially Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence.”

    The materials go beyond dubious instruction to training for political activism as young BLM pioneers. Lesson plans encourage students to think about how they can get involved in the BLM movement or other causes. A tip sheet for hosting a virtual event encourages organizers to “build a list of activists or volunteers for future engagement.” A “research” question for sixth-graders: “How will you liberate yourself and your oppressors?”

    The toolkit also advises that if the local superintendent refuses to support the “week in action,” union activists should still “encourage educators to share the BLM toolkit with their school administrators, fellow educators, and school counselors.”

    The number of schools that acted on the toolkit isn’t known. But the counseling department at Highland Springs High School in Henrico County tweeted that it would “highlight” the awareness week and shared the BLM at School website.

    The union insists that the material is innocuous. “As is stated on the first page, the goal of the toolkit is to inspire an ongoing movement of critical reflection and honest conversation on issues of racial justice,” VEA President James Fedderman said in a statement. “Some people, like Governor Youngkin, find this to be an objectional stance, but we are unapologetic in our support of this goal. As a union of public school educators, we seek nothing more than to present an accurate portrayal of America’s past, without which we will not make the progress we so desperately need to make as a nation.”

    Many on the left claimed critical race theory isn’t taught in K-12 classrooms when Gov. Youngkin vowed to ban it. But the toolkit shows that the union is using every avenue to impose the concepts on children, which demonstrates why Mr. Youngkin’s order is needed.

    Appeared in the March 9, 2023, print edition as 'Virginia’s Teachers Union and CRT'.



     
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    the Trans-BLM intersectionality is quite a spectacle.
     
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    I can vouch for the bias of the article. The article doesn't explain what it is that is wrong with what the union is proposing being taught. It only mentions that it is from the "Leftist" Souther Poverty Law Center. Absolutely hilarious.
     
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    The writer doesn't know what CRT is based on this article. Also, surprising that they claim eastern cultures form nuclear families, that's a very uninformed opinion that contradicts reality.
     
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    In the 1960s stuff was in your face. It required no critical thinking. People saw the beatings, lynching, fire hoses, segrgation. People could denounce that. A lot didn't. Those that did denounce it didn't have to think about it. It was visual. It was right there. Now things are different. These things require thought. Where people see that it wasn't just violence and segregation that affected black people. It was much more and much more insidious.
    It was sending black men to fight in WW2 then coming back and not being able to find jobs and partake in the GI bill. It was red lining. It was not being able to get government assistance while having a man in the house in an attempt to destroy the nuclear black family. So on and so on and so on.

    People don't want think about the impacts of things that were done that were not violent. They say things like "Well segregation is over." "They are no longer slaves"
    That is surface level ****. In a way black people are just like immigrants to this country. They just got a level playing field and I would argue it still isn't level.
     
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    Nietzche is one of my favorites to cherry pick quotes from. He has some great ones, but reading him as a whole...wow.
     
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    It really depends on what you read from him. Some stuff is "Holy **** this guy is amazing" other stuff is "Holy **** this guy is really ****ed up." It is like reading 2 different people sometimes.
     
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