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Critical Race Theory.

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  1. basso

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    [NOTE: Question 24 was asked in alternate forms to separate random half samples; Q24A n=407, m.o.e.= +/- 4.9% and Q24B n=404, m.o.e.= +/- 4.9%]

    24A.Do you approve or disapprove of public schools teaching about the history of racism? [Do you approve/disapprove strongly or somewhat?]

    Nov.
    2021

    Strongly approve 57%
    Somewhat approve 18%
    Somewhat disapprove 5%
    Strongly disapprove 16%
    (VOL) Don’t know 4%
    (n) (407)
    24B.Do you approve or disapprove of public schools teaching about critical race theory? [Do you approve/disapprove strongly or somewhat?]

    Nov.
    2021

    Strongly approve 30%
    Somewhat approve 13%
    Somewhat disapprove 8%
    Strongly disapprove 38%
    (VOL) Don’t know

    respondent demographics:

    27% Republican
    43% Independent
    31% Democrat

    please explain how these numbers, and these questions, equate to 30 million republicans are racists.
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    So the percentage of Republicans who disapprove of teaching the history of racism based on the poll applied to the number of Republicans there are would be my guess.
     
  3. basso

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    objecting to teaching critical race theory = racist?
     
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    1.CRT was a separate question.
    2. We don't know for certain who is and who isn't racist and to what extent.
    3. Wanting to avoid teaching the history of racism is potentially racist. That was the actual question referenced.

    You tried to bait and switch the questions being addressed.
     
  5. basso

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    not I.
     
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    You can dig in and find them I am sure. But let's be honest, you aren't going to change your mind.
     
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    I remember when CRT was just supposed to protect the kids from 'indoctrination'...and now all of a sudden college classes are under question...
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    Certainly you did.

    The relevant question was this.
    24A.Do you approve or disapprove of public schools teaching about the history of racism? [Do you approve/disapprove strongly or somewhat?]

    That question doesn't mention CRT.

    In your response you mentioned "CRT = racism?"

    Stop being dishonest on this bbs.
     
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    Except that I said myself that understanding the history of Asians in America has made me appreciate America more. While yes there are a people angry but our history also includes people like Wong Ark Kim who made it possible for me to become a citizen. It also includes Civil Rights and overcoming racism.

    You can’t celebrate Civil Rights and quote MLK “I have a dream” speech without understanding what was being overcome and why MLK had that dream. That’s why the history matters.
    What part of the history of slavery is kinda made up?
    Why learn about anything in history then?
    First off just above you say that everything is debatable in history so how do you know that black people owned slaves? How do you know this isn’t kinda made up?

    Secondly I didn’t imply that there weren’t blacks that owned slaves. I said that they weren’t given rights of citizenship. The 14th Amendment was specifically for framing citizenship rights to black Americans. That isn’t an opinion as there is first hand documentation of the debates and commentary.

    While slavery has existed in many cultures and for as long as recorded history the uniqueness of slavery in the US was that it was specifically tied to race.

    You’re pretty much making the argument for why this history should be studied. You’re saying history doesn’t matter, even while you make a historical argument, and then saying they nothing will change.

    Of course nothing will change if we don’t know history. If you don’t know history you don’t understand why things even are the way they are. You just accept it. That’s why authoritarian regimes always seek to suppress history.
     
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    As another poster noted though this bill is specifically addressing US history and not history in general.
     
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    my mind about what?
     
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    read the survey again. they asked the question in "two different ways". hence, 24a, and 24b, not 24 and 25.

    Questions 67 & 68 > Questions 24a and 24b.
     
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    Just going to make a couple of points here...

    Black people are not learning this stuff and appreciating America more. Black people who say anything like what you're saying are called Uncle Tom. Again, all it provokes is anger. Angry people are terrible decision-makers. Pushing this narrative ultimately benefits only white people.

    What I disagree with is the connection between learning all of this and an improvement in the lives of Black Americans. We could learn it, fine, but learning it will not fix anything. A focus on the past, which you cannot change or trust, and the future, which you cannot control or trust, over what we can do in the present will only ensure that things never change.
     
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    Did blacks in Africa sell blacks into slavery to whites in America? Absolutely. No one is disputing this. However, tell the entire history of slavery in America. White people bought these slaves. No matter who sold them. If there was not a market they could never have been sold. They were purchased by white Americans. This has been a stain on this country ever since . Blacks have been treated atrociously even after being freed. They have not ever been treated equally financially or in any other way
     
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    I read it. They were two different questions. One was about CRT. The other was about teaching the history of racism.
     
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    Critical Race Theory is racist.
     
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    Which parts of CRT do you consider racist?
     
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    about the topic you are questioning
     
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    https://neshobademocrat.com/stories/editorialcritical-race-theory-is-racist,51088

    EDITORIAL/Critical Race Theory is racist

    The liberals will claim there are no concerted efforts to make Critical Race Theory part of the K-12 curriculum calling such talk a predictable topic at the Neshoba County Fair last week, so that must mean there is or at least could be soon.

    Critical Race Theory is an academic discipline formulated in the 1990s and built on the intellectual framework of identity-based Marxism. It is garbage.

    “In what world are we living in where it’s OK to teach children that they’re born racist?” Gov. Tate Reeves said during his speech at Founders Square. “In what world is it OK to teach children that they’ll be judged by the color of their skin, not by the content of their character?”

    Reeves continued: “That is not the education that we need for the next generation of America’s leaders. ... They should be learning the truth about the United States – that we are blessed to live in the greatest nation in the history of mankind.”

    Relegated for many years to universities and obscure academic journals, Critical Race Theory has increasingly become the default ideology in our public institutions over the past decade and may be coming to a public school near you.

    Critical Race Theory has been injected into government agencies, public school systems, teacher training programs, and corporate human-resources departments in the form of diversity-training programs, human-resources modules, public-policy frameworks, and school curricula.

    House Speaker Philip Gunn said at the Fair critical race theory is a “socialist agenda item” and he’s right.

    “This an attempt to introduce racism into our schools,” Gunn said.


    Both Reeves and Gunn pledged to prevent schools from teaching Critical Race Theory and we wholeheartedly support them and encourage others to join in opposing this liberal lurch.

    “I grow increasingly concerned every day with the direction this country is going,” Gunn said, adding he believes the Democrat Party is embracing socialism.

    Gunn said the more Democrats have embraced socialism the more poisonous their rhetoric has become.

    “Their politics seems to be based on animosity toward this country and animosity toward each other,” Gunn said.

    “Their slogan appears to be a charity to none and malice toward all. They continue to push an us vs. them agenda and it will destroy our country.”

    Gunn said the House of Representatives will introduce legislation next session to prevent the teaching Critical Race Theory in our public schools.

    Critical Race Theory is racist.

    Good and decent Mississippians must fight against this attempt by Democrats to indoctrinate and divide by race again.
     
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    Please show me where any high school or elementary school is trying to teach Critical Race Theory
     
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