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Critical Race Theory.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by jiggyfly, May 17, 2021.

  1. basso

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    who is trying to erase the past and not talk about slavery?
     
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    Black = slave
    White = master

    That's the message. That message makes our current reality inevitable in the eyes of Blacks and whites.
     
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    That is the message of what?

    What are you referring to?

    Because that isn't CRT. Most of CRT at least the real one, not your right wing bubbled media version doesn't even talk about slavery. It's mostly the economic and social struggles that created the divergent wealth classes between white and black Americans during the 20th century such as redlining. It's a study of how those systems effected modern social and economic class structures and how they became divided based on race.
     
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    You want to make it into something it's not, at least not outside of the imagination. Even if it was that it would still be wrong. It's about focusing on what people can't control, the past, future, and other groups of people, over what they can which is the here and now, and one's own actions.
     
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    What am I making into something that is not? Why would it still be wrong?

    Do you want young impressionable white boys to read that graph and come to a conclusion like "it's black culture's fault"? Do you understand the ramifications of that mentality in mass?

    We are individuals living amongst millions of other individuals hence why it's important to talk about systems and structures because that's society.
     
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    It's wrong because it's a bunch of made-up crap that won't help anything.

    White and black people read that graph and come to the conclusion that it is inevitable because all Blacks were slaves and all whites were masters and that's all that was or will be. It is that indoctrination that makes the cultures which in turn makes our reality. It's also that mentality that causes you to turn to superior white solutions to solve the problems of inferior Black people.

    It's whatever, though. All I want to add is the criticism of the belief that it is white people that don't want to teach history when they are the ones that most benefit from teaching the history of Black = slave and white = master. Which is likely white fairy tales, but that's another story.
     
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    What is made up? Redlining?
     
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    Republicans.

    For instance, Republicans are trying to ban teachers from talking about anything that might make the founding fathers look bad - such as asking if they were racist for owning slaves? Or not being able to discuss or even mention words like systemic racism or white privilege.

    Why don't they trust people to take in information, think critically, and make up their own minds about topics? What's up with forcing groupthink on people?
     
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    Regardless of what your views are, not teaching history in history class or being able to discuss racism isn't going to make us a better country. If you have to ban uncomfortable conversations about race to protect white people's feelings, then yeah, we are indeed a racist country.
     
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    With the internet, we can't ban anything. The point is to make a specific part of history seem forbidden. Make it seem as if it's something they don't want you to know or want you to forget. It's a way to ensure that the indoctrination will hit harder. It for sure ain't going to make anyone identify less with their alleged history of being a slave or master. But you keep believing that it's sensitive white people that don't want people to remember they were and continue to be the rulers of this country.
     
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    which republicans, please?
     
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    It can also make them appreciate how far they’ve come and consider with pride what so many have overcome.

    As an Asian American learning about things like the exclusion Acts and the Internment of Japanese Americans didnt make me inferior but gave me a fuller sense of America and what it took to allow someone like me to be an American.
     
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    History of US slavery is made up?
    Except understanding history isn’t about just that it’s all it was or all it ever will be. History is also understanding why the Civil a war was fought, why we have the 13th and 14th Amendments to the Consituton, why there was. Great Compromise, and why there was a civil rights movement. You can’t understand those without understanding race based slavery in the US.
     
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    Do the students in that one state not matter?
     
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    I'd bet you know which ones. It's not a small number
     
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    All those things seem true. There was no single race that was solely responsible for slavery, there was no single race that was solely enslaved, the United States was not founded for the purpose of instituting or continuing slavery, and was not the last country to have slavery, no race is inherently racist, no sex is inherently sexist. What part of that do you think schools should be teaching?
     
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    I definitely don't think we should be teaching that any one race is inherently racist . It makes no sense to ascribe moral attributes to any race of people. We can, however, discuss cultures that are racist and which lent support to oppressive institutions, like slavery. "Whiteness" is used, unfortunately in my view, as a synonym for a culture of "anti-white racism" that has persisted in one form or another throughout the country's history. It is unfair for anyone to suggest that "anti-white racism" is inherently part of the psychological makeup of any person who is "white". To me, that is itself a racist stance.

    On the other hand, I think it is perfectly fair to point out that "white people" should feel an extra responsibility to not be ignorant of anti-white racism, and the various forms it can take, within their society. This generalizes to any form of bigotry of which one is not the target. So, non-black people should feel that responsibility for anti-black racism, men should feel that responsibility for anti-women sexism, people who are not part of the LGBTQ community should feel that responsibility for discrimination against people within that community, and I'd even say that non-whites should feel that responsibility for anti-white racism.
     

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