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Cristian Javier's Invisiball

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Joe Joe, Jul 27, 2020.

  1. Tomstro

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    When he was hitting the low outside corner on right handers, he was unhittable.
     
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  2. Houstunna

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    I remember a video game from the 90s (prob Triple Play) having "R Fastball" as a pitch selection. But it was only Randy and a few others
     
  3. Joe Joe

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    https://theathletic.com/3758277/2022/11/03/astros-cristian-javier-invisible-fastball/

    “It’s almost a pitch that you have to cheat to a little bit to be able to square it up,” Castellanos said of Javier’s ride. “And by cheating to his fastball, like exactly what happened in my first at-bat, you’re opened to all of his offspeed stuff. Him and Vázquez just did a good job of game planning and keeping us off-balance.”
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    “The guy was cool as if it was June or July,” said manager Dusty Baker, who tabbed Javier for a pivotal Game 4 because he knew the moment wouldn’t faze him. “That’s how he is. I was glad that, I heard his mom and dad were here from the Dominican. They got to see him pitch. It’s always great when do you something in front of your folks. I mean, this is a world stage here. People from all over the world are watching this, and he certainly put himself on the map.”

     
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    The media and in this case baseball media (which is so arrogant) are funny.

    Christian Javier was doing this same thing in the minor leagues and couldn't even crack a top 100 prospect list when the Astros were telling teams that Javier was not available in trades.

    The self-important Keith Law actually praised himself for saying he felt Javier could be a long reliever or a #5 spot starter years ago... then again Law as recently as a week ago said that Valdez was "probably an above average MLB starter".

    Javier has long been a calm guy - his Latin teammates call him "the reptile".
     
  5. Joe Joe

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    While I was annoyed by Javier not being rated slightly higher than he was by FanGraphs 3 years ago, (he was half a grade out of the Top 100), I'm much more annoyed that he was in the pen instead Odorizzi at times last year and this year, Astros fans including him as a trade option this year, and the general lack of understanding about how he's been a great pitcher this year by the media and others.

    I hated the mentions of a deceptive delivery in prospect reports when it was quite obvious the shape of his fastball was likely the reason it played up even without tracking data.
     
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  6. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Javier over the last 2 months which spans 7 starts (not including is one inning of relief against Seattle) has an ERA of 0.225 over 41 innings. Of those 7 starts, he's given up 1 hit or less in 5 of them. If that doesn't make him the Ace of the club, I don't know what does.

    Also add the 2 no hitters he's been involved in on the road in the most hostile stadiums to play in. It doesn't matter if we give Verlander 40 million to stay and he wins a Cy Young, Javier should go into next season as our number 1 pitcher.
     
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    Randy's side arm delivery actually did rise, but it rose right out of his hand.
     
  8. Nook

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    Click knew he was good, but still didn't have him in the rotation. At the beginning of this year he said ""I need to find a way to get Javier in the rotation".

    Look no farther than the fact that the guy that signed Valdez, Javier and Urquidy left the Astros in the last week because they did not promote him to top scout or find a spot for him in the front office. That once may comeback to bite Click, who keeps going to bat for Gross, who hasn't done a damn thing great.
     
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    I have been on the bandwagon for three players this year. JV, Javier and Henderson. I still expect a great game from JV every time he pitches. Javier is now on everyone's list, but I was arguing he was a third starter when others had already relegated him to the Bull Pen. Henderson has just given excellent PAs since he was called up when many wilt or swing for the fences.
     
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    Cristian (Cool Head) Javier.
     
  11. Joe Joe

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    https://theathletic.com/3758591/2022/11/03/world-series-no-hitter-cristian-javier/

    And if you’re asking, “Has anyone else ever done this?” … you know the answer! And it’s no! In the annals of Baseball Reference’s database, which is nearly complete over the last 107 years, not a single pitcher has ripped off six straight regular-season and/or postseason starts of five innings or more, allowing two hits or fewer. Not Nolan Ryan. Not Randy Johnson. Not Sandy Koufax. Not one.

    WEIRD AND WILD: “Did you know (Javier) had five straight starts allowing two hits or fewer even before he did this tonight? That’s crazy, isn’t it?
     
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    Big Orange Machine, please let this be the game that we put it all together and open up a complete can of whup-ass on ‘em!
     
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    He's the best pitcher wearing an Astros uniform right now and that's saying a lot since we also have a Cy young winner and a guy who broke the record for quality starts on the squad. This could be the modern day Glavine, Maddux, and Smoltz if we can resign Verlander.
     
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    let verlander walk

    javier, garcia, uriquidy, and framber are enough... plus we have hunter brown coming on
     
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    I would resign Verlander if it is not a crazy long contract, and trade urquidy and Garcia for a bat.
     
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    What in the absolute ****??? That is just insane. Go Stros.
     
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    Urquidy and Garcia both project to be top 60 ML pitchers next season. They are young and cheap and controllable #2 pitchers. What bat do you think is worth that and is available for trade. (There isn't one.) A bat worth that much is not one you trade.
     
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    And yet we will still have pages of posts in the off-season about how the farm system is ranked, how many players are top-100, whether and how it gets “above average” with a few more elite players, etc.

    The ranking systems have been dead wrong about the Astros for years now. That discrepancy has been the real “secret sauce” of the title runs.

    My worry is that it seems that the people in the system who are fundamentally better at spotting and developing talent than the ranking guys are all leaving. If the Astros have to go back to just picking and developing consensus prospects, they will quickly return to the pack.
     
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    In my opinion if you have 6 SP plus an emergency guy in AAA you are golden.

    If you have 7 SP you have a problem.

    That's why Javier was in the bullpen for so long.

    If JV is gone then no problem. (until someone like Jayden Murray is ready in 2024)

    If JV resigns then this team MUST trade a starting pitcher ( in my opinion)

    JV, Framber, Javier, Lance, Garcia, and Urquidy are all established and relegating any of them to the bullpen is a waste of talent and value.

    I could see Brown in the bullpen because he is still technically a rookie but it's just throwing a band aid on it. They would have the same issue in 2024 but the potential trade chip pitcher would have 1 year less control and less value.
     

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