[CRI] McGrady may be on ALL-NBA first team *UPDATE* : TMac on 3rd Team

OOk, he atleast made the Playoffs, did BJ do that?.. or KG?. it's absurd to think KG had a better season then Tracy!

 

Clearly Yao and T-mac got robbed and making first-team would make up for the early playoff exit. In fact, I think that should be their goal next year....the city of Houston can truly celebrate with a massive street parade when this acheivement is accomplished

Is that better?

 

you make it sound like mcgrady had average or even all-star numbers. he had "monster stats" as well. actually his numbers are every bit as good as kg's and not that much lower than lebron's. if 2 more points and another assist per game for lebron and choking into the lottery is what you prefer than you can have it.

04-05 stats

garnett - 22.2 ppg 13.5 rpg 5.7 apg 1.7 bpg 1.4 spg 2.58 to

lebron - 27.2 ppg 7.4 rpg 7.2 apg .65 bpg 2.21 spg 3.28 to

t-mac - 25.7 ppg 6.2 rpg 5.7 apg .67 bpg 1.73 spg 2.58 to


all three have great stats, but only one of these guys had playoff numbers when i looked them up. 50 wins and a fifth seed plus those stats isn't good enough for you?

 

Seeing how there are so much whining and complaing about ray allen, arenas etc... The message of this very rational and obvious post needs to be reiterated.

In your ire and disbelief, You seem to be missing the point of his post. The point is not that lbj or KG stats were soo obviously superior to mcgrady that their place on the 2nd team was obvious, but rather that based on those stats it is arueable that they had the better season... Hence it also becomes argueably reasonable to place them ahead of mcgrady in the voting. The point again is, based on their numbers and the impact both players have on their teams, it is not unreasonable, or a travesty or a shame or a mockery or a robbery of the ages or a "travestshammockeryrobbery" to vote their season performance above tmacs (and vise versa of course).

Personally between tmac, LBJ, KG and to a lesser extent dirk i would have had no problem seeing them in the 1st 2nd or 3rd teams.
On a side note, I dont see a problem with Amare listed as a center and making the 2nd team. I mean didnt he avg 26 and 9 and started at center 99% of the time did he not??

 

Since you already acknowledged that LeBron has better stats, we'll just look at Garnett. I bolded the relevent parts. I would love for McGrady to have been second, or even first team. He is every bit the player Dirk is, AFAIAC, just look at our playoff series. That just doesn't keep me from understanding where the voters were coming from. I personally thought Duncan should win the MVP, but I can understand why they went with Nash.

 

Is there anyone in the world that would take Ben Wallace over Yao Ming from a purely basketball standpoint?

I'm not talking marketing, potential, etc...One season, one shot at a title, do you take Yao Ming or Ben Wallace?

Would we have been the fifth seed with Tracy Mcgrady and Ben Wallace? Would we have taken the Mav's to seven with Tracy Mcgrady and Ben Wallace?

 

Ben is better at D then Yao, and a way better rebounder. Rebs win rings. 7 rebs pergame in playoffs will not do u any favours.
All the great players step up in the playoffs. Amare is getting over 16 rebounds in 5 games vs dallas. Ben is grabbing heaps vs pacers. J Oneal is getting notin inside. But how can u have ur Def player of the year, not in the all-nba teams anyway. If Yao would of got 12+ rebs this year, he would of made it past Wallace.

 

27, 22, 5

 

damn it, it's totally stupid. Monster stats? Tracy can get whatever stats he want. But this season he carries the whole team ! This year is the best year in his career. Stats cann't tell everything. Well, I hate NBA more and more ! totally stupid association!

 

than i don't understand your argument. nash is a prime example of why being the leader on your team and winning ball games is enough to merit a great recognition like he received. if you want to argue purely on stats like you've done this entire thread than why would you vote for steve nash as mvp? lebron, garnett, t-mac, hell even kobe put up condiderably flashier, more mvp-type stats than he did. the argument isn't who has better numbers. my point is that mcgrady is close enough to either of those 2 and easily garnett(you didn't bold ppg) that leading his team into the postseason and achieving 50 wins should be more than enough for him to receive a higher honor than them.

 

IF JVG wanted rebounds, he could've put in Deke. I feel Deke is every bit as good as Big Ben, if not better defensively. The only problem, of course, is Deke probably can't play 48 minutes. But seriously, no one will trade Yao for Ben. That's just stupid. There's plenty of rebounders. But very few centers that can score on anyone, especially with this new zone crap, and the new rules.

 

Yao is the better player, but Ben does more for his team. Hes team is based on D, and his the best on his team at it. Plus hes Def player of the year. Defense gets u very far in the nba. If Yao can improve himself on D, he would be such a better player then he is right now

 

Thank you for telling us what we already know. You obviously didn't learn that reading the Suns board, I'm sure

 

So if say, Tracy avge 30. 5 points 8 assits and 9 boards and went onto win the playoffs MVP and steerd to the Rockets to the title, he wont be a First team player?but LBJ put up marginaly better numbers like 31, 8 and 10 assists, but dosent even get hi teams to the playoffs, gets the nod over tracy?..Someone needs to tell them NUMBERS or stats dont tell the whole Story. The current Formula used is not right. it just dosent tell the whole Story.

 

and what even worse is Tmac lose to KG and LBJ by a large margin!

KH

 

Based on that logic, shouldn't TMac be the MVP and NBA 1st team last year... and the year before?

 

I wouldn't, I just can see how voters did. I already said I would have voted for Duncan for MVP. I also said that I would rate Tracy higher than LeBron ("I would love for McGrady to have been second, or even first team."). I just don't have the disbelief that others could view it differently. I can follow the logic of people that went off of stats for all-NBA voting. I can follow the logic of people that went the team chemistry/leadership/winning route for MVP voting.

Oh, and I didn't bold PPG because a difference of 3 PPG is not nearly as significant as getting twice as many rebounds and three times as many blocks.

TMac WAS all-NBA first team last year and the year before. He didn't get the MVP votes last year because he was on one of the worst teams in the NBA. Two years ago he finished 4th in MVP voting.

 

"There is no spoon."

 

fair enough, i understand your level-headedness now. if t-mac got first-team all nba being on the worst team in the league than it must ONLY be on stats and i can't really argue about him being on the third team now.
i think the right way to go about it is if you have guys with similar numbers you have to give the person who won more the higher award but i'm sure fans of other teams had that argument against t-mac last season.

 

I have to agree with the rankings/votes. Lebron and Tmac could be switched.

Yao..pretty soon he shall be an All NBA guy again