I may take some heat for this, but I maintain that if you take away Fred Durst's rapping, there's some really interesting stuff going on in LB's songs. The guitar player is super creative and has a way of coming up with some very unorthodox (and cool) sounding riffs that don't really sound like anyone else. And the drummer and bass player are both fantastic players. You can tell if you really listen. Take away Fred and the turntable guy and you actually have a really smoking band IMO. There's really nothing musically interesting happening in any of Creed's or Nickleback's songs.