If I could just jump in here for a second (admittedly, without my 'History of Rock Music' book handy) -- you do know that Bon Jovi still gets played on MTV, just had a multi-platinum album, and still pack arenas and stadiums, almost 20 years later, right? I'm sure Creed would be quite happy to still be enjoying that type of success in 15 years.
Now it comes out that no injuries were reported from the crash involving Scott Stapp... Think something else is going on here? Stapp squeezing his way out of the tour, a coverup, or police misreporting? http://www.billboard.com/billboard/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1479788 -------- Police: No Injuries In Creed Wreck No injuries were reported in a car accident that Creed frontman Scott Stapp cited as the reason for the chart-topping rock band canceling its tour, according to a police report released yesterday (April 30). As previously reported, the band announced it was canceling the second leg of its North American tour so Stapp could recover from injuries he suffered during the accident. But a report prepared by Orlando, Fla., police officer Lori Fiorino after the April 19 accident said, "No injuries noted." A Creed spokesperson refused to say what Stapp's injuries were. "Scott is not up for doing this tour," the spokesperson said. "Scott got banged up and he can't do the tour. That's the story." According to the accident report, Stapp was driving in Orlando when his sport utility vehicle was rear-ended by an SUV driven by Suzanne Covey Swisher, 53, of St. Petersburg, Fla., as traffic slowed. Swisher, who was cited for following a vehicle too closely, didn't return a telephone call to her home. The 20-city tour was scheduled to begin Monday night in Fargo, N.D., and run through May 31. No makeup dates have been scheduled, but the Orlando-based band is expected to resume touring this summer, according to the spokesperson.
But I said it wasn't all inclusive! But you are right...Fugazi is great, as is the Pixies, Sonic Youth, Richard Hell, and Lagwagon just to name some others.
who are you, heather locklear? it's not about success, it's about respect (or else we'd have to give nsync their due). when the history of rock-n-roll is written decades from now, bon jovi will not be mentioned. unless vh1 is writing it.
I was thinking the same thing - he did mention Minor Threat tho. 13 Songs & Repeater are "must own" albums.
Ric, Ok, thanks for clarifying your points...although I still disagree with them being a blueprint for everything after their debut album in '76. I see at least two major schools, though. Political and Ramones-esque teenage angst (at least in the 70's, in the 80's, things seemed to merge a bit). That is all I am saying. Sure, they influenced each other, but it shouldn't be oversimplified. Why do you bash vh1, mainstream media, etc. in regards to Creed and Bon Jovi, but use them to promote the Ramones? That makes for sticky positioning. Manny, The "punk died" comment was a joke...it has died a lot, according to whoever wants to be an expert. Some would say that groups like the Ramones and Clash killed it, actually, because they took it out of the small venues and into arenas and stadiums...in addition to marketing taking over and there being styles, etc that people would buy for big money instead of making in the early days..."the good old days" always prevail, lol. You sure do like to make lists of music/bands. My list would be pretty different, but just because I like the more conceptual work ala Zounds, Crass, The Mob, etc...sigh...none of the 90's stuff. Art, however, is dead. There is no art, only dada. Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada, Dada!
i haven't bashed mainstream media, and i love vh1. seriously. i've often said they could do a "behind the music" on the guy who wrote "row, row, row your boat," and i'd be captivated. having said all that, vh1 is still safe, pedestrian, benign corporate programming...
Ahhh, so it's what the "critics" say that counts. I take it by one of your previous posts that you consider praise from SPIN Magazine to be "respect". Since you used their Top 50 list in praising the Ramones (a group I love), I thought I'd check it out. Incidentally, they call it "The 50 Greatest Bands of All-Time", not the 'most influential', as you said. Amazingly, AC/DC, KISS, and Black Sabbath were all on the list, which I found astounding, since none of those groups were ever "critic's bands" (in fact I believe Rolling Stone refused to even recognize Black Sabbath for many years). Some more interesting things about the "respect" SPIN doles out in their Top 50: Korn ranks above Pink Floyd and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Who knew Korn was so well-respected? Why no Limp Bizkit? Looks like Korn may be in your History of Rock book. Korn is apparently more "respected" than Cheap Trick, who didn't even make the list! SOUNDGARDEN -- NOT on the list! QUEEN -- NOT on the list! AEROSMITH -- NOT on the list! The Beastie Boys, RUN DMC, and NWA all ranked ahead of THE WHO! Didn't see The Replacements on there anywhere either. VAN HALEN -- NOT on the freaking list! Van freaking Halen! Did I mention that they list KORN as one of the 50 GREATEST BANDS OF ALL-TIME? I mean you could go on and on with great bands that SPIN apparently doesn't "respect", at least as much as the great Korn. Also from SPIN: "The 40 Most Important Artists in Music Today" -- according to SPIN, these bands are "making some of the freshest, most challenging music of the past few years": #7 Linkin Park #17 Sum 41 #19 Creed -- "So what magic chord have Creed struck? Partly it's their dedication to no-nonsense rock-grunge like it used to be. But it's also the way singer Scott Stapp veils the intense spirituality that underpins his lyrics, leaving listeners free to interpret them as religious sermon or uplifting secular pop. #23 Staind There you go -- Creed earns the "respect" of SPIN magazine! Pretty funny, huh? These are the people who should be telling me what's good? I don't need a critic to tell me what I should be listening to, nor do I care if what I listen to ends up in your "History of Rock" textbook.
Ah, but I think Spin sucks too. Awful rag. Ric, you're on your own. (Mojo and Q are 'my' magazines, and I'd be very surprised if you could find some pro-Creed sentiments in those...) Happy Workers Day everyone, btw. Fight the power, and all that.
Thanks Freak for posting that link to SPIN's top 50 bands! Nice to see Radiohead, Kraftwerk, New Order, and Massive Attack getting some love from SPIN.
Holy ****! how the hell did QUEEN not make the list? How is outkast better than pink floyd or chili peppers? Man that surprises me, actually that pisses me off! i mean what the heck! QUEEN not on the list! Thats a shocker
I'm always a little late on these topics, but here's my take on creed. I'm 21 now. Until I was about 18/19 I only listened to rap,(good stuff only none of that puff type $#it.) Anyway before then the only rock band that kind of caught my interest were The Peppers. Over the last couple of years my musical tastes have grown tremendously. At the beginning of this musical awakening I heard the song One by creed. I thought this song was great, very catchy. I went out and bought their first CD. I listened to it for a while then as I heard them more and more I started to realize that most of their songs sound the same. I ended up giving the CD away and my dislike for their music grew with every new song they made. It seems like you can go to a karaoke bar and put on any instrumental of one their songs and sing the words to another of their songs and it will totally fit. I don't hate them, I just think they are way overrated. I guess I get irritated by their fans and my lack of comprehension for their taste, but to each his own. What I find dumb is how whenever you don't like something that's mainstream you are immediately called jealous or a "hater." I think that's just as good an argument as Pee Wee's famous "I know you are, but what am I." I like Incubus even though they're doing pretty well for themselves. It seems some of their fans get their panties in a knot whenever someone points out what they don't like about the band. I don't have a cow when people tell me that The Peppers aren't a great live band or other criticisms. I will admit that their new song, Bullets, sounds different from their other stuff, but after hearing it I immediately thought of it as a distorted rip-off of DMB's The Stone. As far the video, it seems like just a cheesy knock-off of The Peppers Californication video. I guess the problem with their image is that they seem like they're 2 decades late. They would have made a killing as a great hair band rocking arenas in the eighties. I have to agree with the other poster who said they reminded him of Bon jovi, (another cheesy band IMO.)
Okay, guess I misunderstood you. When you said "it's not about success, it's about respect", I took that to mean critical respect. My mistake. When you said "when the history of rock-n-roll is written decades from now, bon jovi will not be mentioned", I guess I assumed that a rock journalist would be writing this 'history'. Again my mistake. When you threw out quotes from the Rock-n-Roll Hall of Fame, the Toronto Sun, VH1, and SPIN magazine to legitimize your opinion, I took that to mean that what critics said were important to you. Another mistake on my part. I apologize for the misinterpretation. Btw Ric...have you heard anything about Todd Lewis' (Toadies) new band? I heard on the radio that he had started up a project called "Burn Brothers", or something like that. Looking forward to hearing some of that stuff.
no problemo. i merely cited those sources as a means to show that others, beyond myself, felt the ramones had made a substantial impact. also, the "history of rock-n-roll" book was a figurative idea. btw, "respect" is a pretty vague concept; and i admit, critics do play a vital role is what bands survive the test of time, right or wrong. but there are many other factors, including: record sales, certainly -- hard to have longevity if no one's ever heard of you; popularity, which isn't necessarily the same thing as success (ie the dead never sold, say, on par with creed, but they were a popular band, if that makes any sense); transcendence -- groups that do more either with, or beyond their music (of recent vintage, u2 is a prime example). and i think influence and peer recognition is maybe as big a factor as any of the above. you can pop in a ramones CD and hear maybe a dozen current bands, nearly 20 years later, doing a riff on their formula; will we be able to say the same for creed 20 years from now? and while bands would line up around the corner to pay homage to the ramones, how many bands owe their success to bon jovi? that's what i meant by respect (though, there's still more to it than even that) and that's why i compared creed to bon jovi: two wildly popular bands who made it big during an obviously mediocre era in music, neither of which brought a whole lot to the table in terms of uniqueness or originality and who probably won't be among the bands that, 20 years from now, we're looking back on and thinking, "man, thank god they came along." no offense meant, necessarily. in HS, we used to come out for pregame warm-up drills to "raise your hands." and i agreed with most of your rant, re: spin's top 50, btw. i can ask some buddies of mine, but no, i haven't heard anything. tim delaughter (i think i spelled that wrong) from tripping daisy has a new band; they played fry street fair a few weeks ago. apparently, it's, like, a 25-piece group, with multiple lead singers... real out there, but, supposedly, pretty good.
I love Creed. I'm not sure why. I think their music is passionate, and they believe in what they sing about, which goes a long way with me. I've always been kind of a closet Creed fan because of all of you who are so vocal about hating them. Whatever. To each his own. I think Human Clay was every bit as good as Ten (which PJ named after Mookie Blaylock ) and My Own Prison and Weathered are world's better than the crap PJ put out after Ten. So yes, I do think they're better than Pearl Jam. Flame away.
