All this rebuttal for one zealot? BF, the folks that benefit from the positions you support won't even let you join their country club.
What you are seeing on TV is TEA Party Activists. Most TEA Party ideology supporters, like myself, only have some basic similar concerns as the Tea Party Activists. Most of us are not even members of any Tea Party or donate money to them or go to any rallies. The main thing I have in common with them is that I also agree that Government is getting TOO big--I believe most people who lean towards supporting them are just like me. Even though a certain small percentage of the activists have some obvious flaws, I don't see any other groups standing up for conservative American ideologies. So, even though I see some racism, it's just a something I have to overlook and live with because, at the end of the day, I have more in common with "Teabaggers" than I have with Progressives. Finally, stereotyping is no big deal for me, because I deal with it every day--especially on this board. :grin:
Does anyone else smell the rotting carcass of the old Nixonian "silent majority" getting tossed around?
That poll is comparing whites to whites. Do you see that? Whether or not most ethnic groups hold racist views is irrelevant, the poll shows that strong supporters of the Tea parties apparently hold more anti-black views (and anti-Latino and anti-immigrant) than strong opponents of the tea party movement. It's comparing tea party approvers and tea party disapprovers only. I just wanted to make it clear because your response seemed to indicate you didn't see what is a somewhat confusing presentation.
If you support the idea of a smaller govt. and the tea party does as well, do you think a group that allows or encourages racism in its members who also want smaller govt. will actually be beneficial to the accomplishing the goals you believe in? My whole point is that if they want to be effective they have to deal with the racism. They either don't want to, or are unwilling to, or don't care about it. Because they aren't dealing with it. They are actually detracting from the goals they share with you, but not dealing with the one of the big differences. Mussolini had trains that ran on time. I love trains that run on time, but because we share some common goals won't get me to overlook the parts of fascism I disagree with. I think that if I wanted to work on getting trains to run on time, I would be embarrassed that a group of fascists were detracting from an issue I thought was important.
LOL. I tried to give you feedback for that, but I have spread more around. It's hard to spread when I've already given it to the folks I wanted to give it to.
Ok, I see that now. HOWEVER, I still say, "so what of it?" I never denied that there is a slightly stronger "stereotyping" of minorities in the TEA Party. IMHO, I believe that if these same "strongly support TP" group had a chance to really get to know minorities on a personal level, their attitudes towards them would be mitigated to the level of the "strongly against TP" group. Again, IMO, I believe that you would find that the "strongly against TP" group has more interactions with minorities on a personal, daily basis. However, the media and some of you guys wants to make it out as if the TEA Party = KKK. Also, I have already shown you a real unbiased survey on "stereotypes" and why this is so. http://www.diversityweb.org/Digest/w98/research2.html
Pointing out that the tea party has a significant number of racists in their group, and aren't doing anything to combat that is not the same as calling them KKK, but it is pointing out something that would detract from that group in the minds of most.
It seems you've basically agreed to the real point being made without realizing it. You're still arguing against the perceived attack (that people think TEA party = KKK), but the real criticism is that the Tea Party movement has a disproportionate number of people who are prejudiced, which you acknowledged. Now I don't think the prejudice/racism aspect of the tea party movement is as important or relevant as some do, but you have to admit it is there. And in fact, admitting that it is there even in a limited sense and condemning it is all that is being asked of those supporters of the tea party who don't follow those beliefs. So if and when somebody actually says that they believe you are racist or that they believe that the tea party = KKK, feel free to correct them. In the meantime, it's ok to say, you're right, I don't like the higher incidence of racism and prejudice within this movement.
more party coverage -- Fox News Pulls Sean Hannity From Tea Party Rally Fox News has pulled Sean Hannity from his starring role in a tea party rally just one week after Rupert Murdoch said the network should not be supporting the tea party movement. Hannity was set to broadcast Thursday night from a tea party rally in Cincinnati, but was rushing back to New York Thursday evening after network executives learned of the plan and said it was unacceptable. "Fox News never agreed to allow the Cincinnati Tea Party organizers to use Sean Hannity's television program to profit from broadcasting his show from the event," Bill Shine, the network's executive vice president of programming, told the Los Angeles Times. "When senior executives in New York were made aware of this, we changed our plans for tonight's show." As the LAT notes, Hannity was listed as the headline of the Cincinnati rally.
What Rupert wants, Rupert gets. Is the Tea Party becoming too much of a liability for the Republicans, or are they waving the populist/anti-Wall Street flag too high for his taste?
I agree, Fox should stay out of involvement with the TEA Party. Also, negative attacks against the current administration should be filtered out of the rallies. Just stick to The Contract from America and the rest will take care of itself. As this movement grows more and more into the mainstream, moderate Americans will be just start to get turned off with all the unnecessary rhetoric. Also, I have noticed as the year as gone by, the TEA Party has calmed down a lot or are a lot less "angry". Also, as was recently pointed out by NYTimes, I find it ironic that the original TEA Partiers were just rednecks and hillbillies--but now all the sudden they are rich and educated. The momentum is on our side--just let the snowball do its thing.
This is nothing new. The contemporary Republican Party has always been a coalition of the selfish rich and the stupid poor.
BTW this little Beck backed tax party (that has been in the planning stages for over a year) managed to attract about 7000 people in Washington yesterday. Can you enlighten all of us to where the "growth" for this "movement" is going to come from? Most rational people who live in reality have recoiled in horror at your little primal scream.
Really these folks are just GOPers or conservatives. No complain as long as a conservative Republican is in office.
