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"Crash the Party"

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by BrotherFish, Apr 15, 2010.

  1. GladiatoRowdy

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    Well, when the values of the group to which you belong are skewed, you are willing to believe that other people are capable of the same things...

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  2. DonkeyMagic

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    fixed for you.
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    Yes people are brought to the cause for a number of different reasons.
    I can point out Globalization protest websites or references to them urging peaceful protest ahead of time. I'd like more than just "your belief" that are leaders urging members to avoid racism, and racist things.

    The proof is the fact that to open their official convention they invited a speaker who advocated the racist policies used to keep blacks from voting before the civil rights movement. Recently the Tea Party formed a federation to fight the negative image being portrayed in the main stream media. There actions show where their focus is, and it isn't on ridding themselves of those pesky racists.

    Instead they've demonstrated a pattern of supporting racist candidates, having racist outbursts, signs and actions at their rallies, inviting a speaker to invoke racist ideas that most of us hoped were part of the past that we moved on, and doing little to nothing to remedy the problems.

    What conclusions should a thinking person draw about the tea party?
     
  4. GladiatoRowdy

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    Puh-lease.

    I can't remember the last time that some "leftist" did some stupid or criminal s*** and then was defended here on the board. When liberals do stupid s***, for the most part, the liberals here on the board stand up and decry the s*** in question.

    The only conservative on this board who seems to do that on a regular basis is refman.
     
  5. BrotherFish

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    No doubt, THIS is a fair discussion. We just need to let go of the whole "racism thing" and actually discuss issues like "are we really being taxed too much?"
     
  6. finalsbound

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  7. FranchiseBlade

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    Why do you believe racism should not be addressed?

    Would you like to talk about the 1960's dixiecrats and their tax policies rather than their inherent racism?

    When there is a demonstrable pattern of racism with no effort by the majority of the group to limit or remove racism, then it is certainly relevant and fair game to discuss it. Just because you wish the issue would go away, doesn't mean others should just ignore it.

    I don't really like ignoring things like racism and hoping they go away.
     
  8. Rashmon

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    Right, let's only talk about the issues that we might have some agreement.

    You are so transparent.
     
  9. mc mark

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    When the tea baggers drop the “Obama isn’t even an American” bull**** then maybe we can have that discussion.
     
  10. BrotherFish

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    Racism has been addressed in this country (You might have missed this newsflash, but we have an African-American President) and will continue to be addressed until it is 100% eliminated in the whole world.

    Racism is not exclusive to the TEA Party. Just go look in the mirror and honestly tell yourself that you are not a racist to some degree. :rolleyes:

    Most TEA partiers, DO NOT make racist comments.

    Just go review the polls again to see their real viewpoints. What most of you seem to keep ignoring is that 98% TEA Partiers are just “regular everyday Americans“ concerned that this country is headed down the same road as Greece.

    No more, no less.
     
  11. mc mark

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    Please provide verifiable evidence that this is happening to America.

    TIA
     
  12. Major

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    Yes, let's do that:

    <img src=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZTcCp8eYEyI/S8I8xuDlK8I/AAAAAAAAARs/L3JgsUBTR64/s1600/tea+party+racism1.PNG width=500 height=355>

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/04/new-data-on-tea-party-sympathizers.html

    So tell me... what does that data tell you about whether 98% of tea partiers are just like the non-tea-partiers?
     
  13. BrotherFish

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    Who really cares where Obama was born, but a small group called the "birthers"? This should have been taken care of in the vetting process and should be a dead issue now.

    To be honest, I don't care if he was naturalized yesterday, if he would just get this country back on track and quit spending us into bankruptcy!
     
  14. mc mark

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    You are absolutely right and it was. Too bad members of your organization refuse to accept the truth. Perhaps before you engage in political debates with your opponents you should clean up your own house first?
     
  15. rimrocker

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    OK, let's review the most recent poll...

    In the following, the first numbers are from Teabaggers and the second is from the public at large...

    So, 84% of 18% of Americans think their views reflect most Americans? This would border on absurd if one didn't think that they are probably defining Americans as people like them who live in "Real America" to the exclusion of people who are not white Republicans.

    Then there is this...

    And this...

    92 % think Obama is moving the country towards socialism.
    (http://documents.nytimes.com/new-yo...l-survey-of-tea-party-supporters?ref=politics)

    Yes, they're just like America... if your view of America is a Palin rally hosted by Limbaugh.
     
  16. BrotherFish

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    So what is you point? This is just a sad and unfortunate "stereotyping" image of African-Americans. Some of the most intelligent friends and neighbors I have are African-American. :rolleyes:

    Due to the unfortunate "stereotyping", I bet if you change "white" with any other race in that graph you showed, you would get similar results.

    Don't take my word on this; see the national study conducted below.



    How Do Americans View One Another? The Persistence of Racial/Ethnic Stereotypes

    http://www.diversityweb.org/Digest/w98/research2.html

    In national surveys, fewer and fewer Americans admit openly to holding racist views--for instance the view that African Americans are less intelligent than white Americans. Many polls have attempted to measure racial and ethnic stereotyping by presenting declarative statements of negative attributions and asking respondents to agree or disagree with them. Whether they may hold these views or not, many survey respondents don't want to appear obviously racist and will therefore disagree with blatantly racist statements.

    A more nuanced study conducted by the National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of Chicago, however, found that many Americans still do harbor beliefs about racial and ethnic minorities based on racist stereotypes. The NORC study involved a questionnaire with a range of possible answers. Respondents were asked to evaluate on a scale of one to seven characteristics of a variety of groups--whites, Jews, African Americans, Asian Americans, Latino/as, and southern whites. By offering this continuum of gradations from one to seven, this survey elicited evidence of much more racial prejudice than has been found in other national surveys.

    The survey was administered to a cross-section of about 1,200 Americans and asked such questions as:

    "Do people in these groups tend to be unintelligent or tend to be intelligent?"
    "Do people in these groups tend to be hard-working or tend to be lazy?"
    "Do people in these groups tend to prefer to be self-supporting or do they tend to prefer to live off welfare?"

    With only one exception, minority groups were evaluated more negatively than whites in general. The one exception is Jews who were rated more favorably than whites on all characteristics except patriotism. African Americans and Latino/as were ranked last or next to last on almost every characteristic measured.

    For instance, in response to the question about intelligence, African Americans and Latino/as were essentially tied at the bottom. Respondents evaluated African Americans as the laziest and as the group with the highest preference for living off welfare.

    More than half the survey respondents rated African Americans as less intelligent than whites. Fifty-seven percent of non-African Americans rated African Americans as less intelligent than whites and thirty percent of African Americans themselves rated African Americans as less intelligent than whites. :eek: Sixty-two percent of the entire sample rated African Americans as lazier than whites and more than three out of four survey respondents said that African Americans are more inclined than whites to prefer welfare over work.

    One survey author said that he "didn't expect nearly as much stereotyping as [they] found." He suggests further that the study refutes the notion that Americans are approaching a color and creed-blind society. One startling finding of this study is that so many people are willing and able to rate group members on the basis of their race and/or ethnicity at all. Survey non-response was very low.

    The NORC study also attempted to evaluate whether or not the images people have about racial/ethnic groups influence other attitudes and behaviors toward those groups. The study found that, indeed, these images do affect attitudes and behaviors in a number of key areas of social policy. For instance, ethnic images seem to be related to the social distance that people wish to maintain between themselves and other groups. Images of African Americans in the areas of work and welfare are related to support for affirmative action programs and government spending on special programs perceived to disproportionately benefit African Americans.

    In summary, the survey authors conclude that "images about ethnic groups are significant predictors of support for racial integration programs...and desired social distance." As the survey authors conclude, "most Americans (notice, it does not say "most whites") see most minority groups in a decidedly negative light on a number of important characteristics....[and] ethnic images remain important determinants of inter-group attitudes."





    So basically, all groups stereotype (aka "are racist") to other groups--it is not only a "white" thing. :rolleyes:

    Since this "stereotyping" is not going to change in our lifetime, let's focus on economy and financial crisis facing this country--this is what the TEA Party is really trying to address.
     
  17. rhadamanthus

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    Only after we elected the first black President did these people suddenly start addressing the issue of too much spending. I guess I can't do anything about stereotyping, so please don't worry about us stereotyping Tea Party people.
     
  19. DonnyMost

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    I was waiting for you to complete the circle.

    Now the battle is on between MadMax and I to persuade him to follow our chosen paths...

    Oh, and for the record.

    rhadamanthus:

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    I strongly "suggest" that you learn how to appropriately use quotation marks.
     

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