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COVID-19 (coronavirus disease)/SARS-CoV-2 virus

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by tinman, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
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    I haven't seen Marvin Bagley play, does he play?
    does anyone remember that he was the #1 pick ?
     
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  2. robbie380

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    The edits were rough since they were making it was quick as possible for the nightly news but it was a good video. It's a completely legitimate question to ask and explore.
     
  3. JayZ750

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    um... not when they're making the comparison they did.

    It'd be like me saying "why is COVID in America, but not on this island that never has any tourist or visitors or anything wash ashore and only has 10 people living on it?!?! Maybe we should investigate that!!"

    I mean... i think i get your point, which is someone else is going to be like "wtf" or has been already, so might as well provide the answer even though its obvious and dumb as ****...

    seems like the continued dumbification of America/society
     
  4. Deckard

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    Why an advanced country like Australia hasn’t had a broad swath of it’s population vaccinated long ago is bizarre, but our own “advanced” country is currently far worse off.

    As has been mentioned before, @Downtown Sniper, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines prevented getting the original Covid virus at something like a 94% rate, and if you did you might not even know it. Nothing is 100% effective, so wearing a mask regardless unless you’re in small groups where everyone is vaccinated was/still is the smart thing to do. However, because such a huge number of the population haven’t been vaccinated, in many cases due to believing completely false information, these far more contagious variants have been allowed to spread like wildfire.

    The studies I’ve seen show the aforementioned vaccines preventing contagion from the Delta variant at a 64% rate, more or less, not as effective, but keeping the vast majority from having to be hospitalized. Still, you can get quite ill. I mentioned elsewhere a fully vaccinated 35 year old woman with 2 young kids and a husband, a friend of my significant other, who went on a trip to Utah to visit relatives, got Covid, very likely the Delta variant, and she ended up with a cold that was the worst she’d ever had. This was less than two weeks ago.

    The overwhelming majority with Covid in the US being hospitalized in serious condition, possibly leading to death, are unvaccinated. That’s a fact, yet many here in this country still spout lies that it is not, at least until they end up in hospital pleading to be vaccinated as a ventilator is about to be put down their throat. It’s bad enough that it’s happening to them in their ignorance, but they are putting the rest of us at risk. Also, these new variants are impacting a far younger demographic than previously.
     
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  5. CCity Zero

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    Lol, and this is why I grow tired of most news, a whole story/segment on this when just looking at a basic map of density/knowing California it's a non-story. They should have lead with the graphic at the end (I can't believe I let it run that long) - but then they wouldn't have a story to share/waste time with/get views/clicks etc.
     
  6. robbie380

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    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    If you sort by cases per million pop you will notice that low population density states are at the top. But yeah I get your point that population density and covid infection rates are connected.

    Also the less populated rural areas are going to be the ones in Cali that are less vaccinated and pretty much everywhere in America. They needed somewhere to compare it to.

    Either way they noted the rates of infection are much lower among vaccinated people. That fact gets lost with some shitty narrative based reporting.
     
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  7. Space Ghost

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    For someone who thinks they are on top with this mess, you are propagating a lot of misinformation.

    incorrect. The vaccine does not stop you from getting Covid.

    The vaccine has been found to drastically reduce the negative effects of covid if a vaccinated person does catch covid. The type of vaccine and the variant play a large role on the effects of a covid infection.

    Incorrect. There is no conclusive evidence to suggest the vaccine prevents an infected person from spreading COVID.
    Your first part says a vaccinated person can not spread it, the latter part says you're less contagious.

    Early on, it was well known COVID will be around permanently. Vaccines bring the effects of covid down to flu levels. Not everyone gets the flu and not everyone gets the flu vaccine. The flu vaccine does not stop all forms of the flu. Such will be with COVID.
     
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    I don't remember that.

    Which draft was Marvin Bagley the #1 pick?
     
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    my bad, the #2 pick.
     
  10. Andre0087

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    99ers checking 99ers...I like it!
     
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  11. robbie380

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    He’s the number one pick according to Bill Worrell
     
  12. Amiga

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    Concerning vaccination for 5-11...

    Israel Begins Pfizer Covid-19 Vaccine for At-Risk Children Under 12 as Delta Cases Surge – Talk Of News

    July 27, 2021
    TEL AVIV—Israel authorized the use of Pfizer Inc.’s Covid-19 vaccine for vulnerable children between five and 11 years old, as cases of the highly contagious Delta variant rise sharply.

    The health ministry said each individual case would require special approval and children would be given a lower dosage of the vaccine—10 micrograms instead of the usual 30 micrograms—in accordance with data provided from Pfizer. A spokesman for Pfizer said dosing regimens reside with health authorities as opposed to the pharmaceutical company.

    Pfizer is testing the 10-microgram dose in children five to 11 years old, but hasn’t released any clinical data yet. It said it expects to have study results in September, when it expects to ask the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to authorize the use of its shot for this age group.

    Israel’s authorization on Tuesday, one of the first in the world, comes after the U.S. FDA raised the minimum number of young children that should be in current Covid-19 vaccine trials to better detect any side effects. The FDA wants to better understand side effects, such as a rare heart condition known as myocarditis, that have surfaced in small numbers of people.


    FDA Asks Covid-19 Vaccine Makers to Expand Number of Children in Tests - WSJ

    July 26, 2021 5:26 pm ET
    The FDA recently asked Pfizer Inc. and Moderna Inc. to increase the size of their studies in children 5 to 11 years old to at least 3,000, up from 1,000, the people familiar with the request said.

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    The Food and Drug Administration has raised the minimum number of young children that should be in Covid-19 vaccine trials to better detect any side effects, people familiar with the matter said.

    A big reason for the change, one of the people said, was to look for side effects like the rare heart condition known as myocarditis that surfaced in small numbers of people who took one of the messenger RNA vaccines after they were authorized.
     
  13. cheke64

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    Anytime there's pressure on Abbot to do something he uses the migrant card and then people dismiss him. Works eveeytime

    People: Investigation for ERCOT
    Abbott: border crisis.
    CDC: covid is surging
    Abbots: arrest those migrant people.
     
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    I'm so angry! Its those rednecks who love to fish.hunt that refuse to get vaccinated.
     
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    Need to chill with the semi racist rhetoric
     
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  17. robbie380

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    These are the pre-Delta numbers from the CDC on symptomatic illness, hospitalization, and death rates by age group. I think it's ridiculous we don't have t-cell and memory b cell covid infection data considering how much money we've blasted at covid, but this looks like it's the best we can do.

    Pre-delta covid and 2018-2019 flu numbers

    0 to 17 ages Flu had 477 death to 332 deaths for Covid or 1.4x more
    18 to 49 ages Covid had roughly 14x more deaths than the flu
    50-64 ages Covid had about 20.5x more deaths than the flu
    65+ ages Covid had 24.1x more deaths than the flu

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html
    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

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    And this is 2018-2019 flu data for comparison

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    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    One thing to note is the flu data was based in 2019 before we had entered Covid protocols such as social distancing and mask wearing. The United States had less than 1000 flu deaths last year compared to 20-80K death in a normal flu season. We literally eliminated the flu last winter. If we would have just treated Covid like the flu, the numbers would have been much worse.

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  20. Supermac34

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    In a study in the UK, they found that while the vaccines had a reduction in symptomatic COVID by 93%, the reduction in RATE OF INFECTION (whether you got COVID or not) was about 66%. They studied this by following vaccinated and unvaccinated people over several months and constantly giving them COVID PCR and antibody tests. They found that there was a portion of people that had asymptomatic COVID that were vaccinated, there were 2/3rds less INFECTIONS in vaccinated people. So, in fact, the Pfizer vaccine has a 66% chance of blocking infection completely (AZ had 50%). So the COVID Vaccine does in fact stop you from getting COVID AND it prevents you from getting really sick if you do get COVID.

    Additionally, the CDC just published a paper on Tuesday saying there is a large body of evidence that the COVID vaccines do, in fact, greatly reduce the amount of transmission if you are Asymptomatically infected. While the viral loads are enough to trigger a positive PCR tests, the viral loads for an overwhelming number of people that are vaccinated but test positive are not enough to transmit. So you are correct...it does not completely prevent transmission via a vaccinated person, it does greatly reduce the transmission rate by 1. Reducing COVID INFECTION by 2/3rds and 2. Greatly reducing the viral load in an asymptomatically infected vaccinated person.

    You are most correct on your last point, however. COVID is here to stay and is endemic. Vaccines and continued infections will blunt future issues. Highly vaccinated populations are also much less likely to develop dangerous mutations, however.

    Side note on the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. In the same paper, the CDC noted that "real world" vaccination numbers are proving the efficacy of J&J to be upwards of 77%, much higher than the Phase 3 study. Apparently the Johnson and Johnson vaccine continues to gain efficacy even months after the injection, so the longer you've been vaccinated, the better your J&J is. Additionally, J&J is showing to be particularly good against the Delta variant in lab scenarios, generating a higher response against Delta than even Moderna and Pfizer. There is no population study to say that is the case however, only lab studies.
     

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