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COVID-19 (coronavirus disease)/SARS-CoV-2 virus

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by tinman, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. adoo

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    parroting / propagating the Rand Paul spin is the opposite of sharing data from studies

    stop parroting the quack Rand Paul's intellectual dishonesty.

    the quack assumes that the virus is static, even in the wake of all the new variants



    instead of parroting the quack, it'd behoove you to heed this update



     
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  2. adoo

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    the professionals in Taiwan, SK, Singapore, HK and New Zealand would disagree.

    These countries, by far, have been most effective in containing the spread of COVID.
    the common thread that binds their approach, has been masking, quarantine, and testing, a lot more cautious than Canada
     
  3. robbie380

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    Disappointing that you think vaccines don't work. I don't why you are viewing it thru a strange political lens and ignoring post vaccination CDC recommendations. This is a similar mindset to the anti-covidvax people that I try talking to as well. Read up on that link I posted for you and let me know your opinion on those studies. I don't follow Rand Paul or any politician (I don't know why anyone would) for my medical advice.

    Here's another medical professional laying out data relating to longevity of antibodies after infection and vaccination and how it functionally works in the body. He also discusses how 2nd generation vaccines for covid could attack the virus differently and avoid the issues we are potentially seeing with variants. Feel free to watch him on 1.25 to 1.75x speed since he doesn't speak rapidly.



     
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    disappointing that u, thru sleight of hand, trying change the topic, pretending that u didn't make this nonsensical comment about masks.


    ur unwillingness to stay on topics to debate your claim about masks is reminiscent of Trump, after Michael Cohen was jailed, pretended that he hardly knew his former fixer.

    it'd behoove you to find out that COVID is not static; there are such things as variants
     
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    My primary comment about not needing masks was relating to after being vaccinated. Maybe you missed that point. I've also wondered about the true effectiveness of non-medical masks, the real world effectiveness based on how people wear them, and the policies we have surrounding them.

    I haven't been changing the topic. My main comments have been relating to after vaccination to which you seemed to be saying that I was being willfully ignorant. To me that seems that you are saying that the vaccines do not work. You also keep making points about variants which seems to be indicating that you think that the vaccines don't work against the variants when they are seeming to work very well.

    You need to get politics and Trump out of your head. He's long gone. I understand there are variants and one of the videos I posted was relating to that. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are showing to work well against the major variants. I know there is mixed data and they are potentially less effective against the South African variant, but the South African variant is seeming to be losing the evolutionary fitness battle against the British variant in the covid spread. Yes that can clearly change. There is no update yet on how they are doing against the Indian variant, but things are looking potentially good.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Health/rare-...ariant-evade-pfizer-vaccine/story?id=77020482

    In rare instances, South Africa variant may evade Pfizer vaccine, researchers say
    Reason for concern, but not unnecessary alarm, researchers say.


    https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/5/3/22411713/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-double-mutant-india

    This COVID-19 vaccine will likely work against the ‘double mutant’ found in India
    BioNTech CEO Ugur Sahin recently said his company’s vaccine will likely stop the ‘double mutant’ coronavirus



    Did you watch or read anything I linked to you? If not it's fine.
     
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  6. adoo

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    way to contradict yourself

    • this was from yesterday
    • this was today
    thank you for making it so easy for me to point out your contradicting points !
     
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    Did you read the article referenced or anything I've posted or are you just trying to nitpick anything I write and the vaccines? I'm guessing you didn't because you aren't grasping what mixed data means. The mixed data would be from perfectly effective against the South African variant from Pfizer to not 100% perfectly effective to possible asymptomatic infections in rare cases from a small sample in Israel. More data is needed but the bottom line is that it is still EXTREMELY effective at the WORST.

    It seems that you don't like anything I post and will try to find anything to discredit what I post, but just read the reports. You can come to your own conclusions from what is stated.
     
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  9. adoo

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    in a roundabout way, this amounts to an admission that you have contradicted yourself​


    man, ur contorting yourself again pretending to be a scientist
     
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    So again did you read or watch what I linked? I’ve asked this question multiple times. If you haven’t then just say it. It’s ok.

    I’m not pretending to be anything. I’m sharing information and I told you to make your own conclusions. I’m a trader, a business owner, a gamer, and I like to look at data. If I’ve contradicted myself then I’m sorry, but I’ve still presented information for you to read, watch and decide for yourself. I’m not perfect and I’m not proclaiming to be. Are you at least understanding the general idea I’m conveying with the information I’m sharing?

    Also I told you to provide information that is contrary to what I’m posting and saying. You aren’t doing it or adding anything to the conversation. I’m happy to be wrong just try adding something productive.

    And do I need to provide a disclaimer each time I state an opinion and showing you what I am basing my opinion off of? Do you have a problem with the sources? Are they not sufficient for you? Are you just trying to **** with me or troll me? If yes that’s fine too. I don’t mind.

    For the last time if you think the vaccines are not sufficient for protection then just say so. It’s not that hard and it’s fine to have that opinion even if I completely disagree. I’ve been trying to convey a point that they are seeming to remain strong against all variants. Do you have doubts that they will? It’s certainly possible that they could fail but things are looking very promising.

    Adoo what is your general outlook?
     
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    That will be interesting to watch.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/06/seychelles-vaccines-covid-cases/


    Good article discussing it. They have mainly used the Sinopharm vaccine out there. 60% of the vaccinations are Sinopharm and 40% AstraZeneca. Both of which are less effective than Pfizer and Moderna. The 65% of the infections are supposed to be among unvaccinated or 1 shot vaccinated people.
     
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    Doesn't sinopharm work half the time all the time?
     
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    Huang Bouey said that while vaccines can help prevent deaths, there was increasing agreement among medical professionals that they alone could not stop new cases or outbreaks.

    “Quarantine, mask-wearing and crowd-avoiding should be part of the public health strategy,” she said.

    Senaratne said it was possible that the Seychelles’ ongoing outbreak could drive away tourists and that the government was undertaking a “delicate balancing act between health and wealth management.”
    Should vaccinated people avoid crowds for the rest of their lives to avoid getting sick? These health care officials are either out of touch or out of answers
     
  15. Deckard

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    Should have gone dark.

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    They shouldn't but countries with weaker health infrastructure have to worry a lot more than we do. I don't think its about worrying about the virus itself. Rather, the worry is about the toll that it takes on your hospital system.

    Fortunately, the US probably has some of the most overbuilt numbers of hospital beds in urban areas compared to the rest of the world. One fortunate benefit of our ridiculous level of health care spending is the relatively high number of hospital beds available in the US so we're in good position to cope with this risk. A country like Seychelles really isn't in the same position.
     
  17. robbie380

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    Seychelles is a well developed relatively rich nation with a good healthcare system. I believe they have more doctors per capita than the US.
     
  18. geeimsobored

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    Development has nothing to do with how you structure your hospital system. And counting doctors per capita isn't a good measure either. The metric you need to compare are hospital and ICU beds.

    Most countries (particularly with socialized medicine) put much more focus on primary care as it is the lowest cost and most effective means of caring for people. In the US, we spend more on things like hospitals, specialists, and other areas like that. The result is that its quite easy to see a specialist or find a bed in the US. Elective surgeries can be scheduled much faster in the US than the rest of the world. But it all comes at a cost (namely the extreme levels of healthcare spending).

    The US has the most ICU beds per capita in the world. And its not even close. For example, the US has more than double the ICU beds per capita than Canada (but we also spend twice as much per person on health care). But with Covid, that actually minimized the stupidity of the government's response to Covid. If we had an ICU situation like the rest of the world, we would've seen many more deaths and would have had to cancel elective surgeries like most of the world.
     
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    I was just trying to say Seychelles isn’t that bad off:)
     
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    Is there a reason Tomball chic fil a workers aren't wearing masks? They are talking to all drive thru customers without a mask within 2 feet.
     

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