You are the epitome of an internet expert bro. The blind leading the blind is not a good look edit : did not mean for that to come out so harsh! Just read it. Stay safe brethren and be cautious about advice/assertions is all
It's much easier to pot shot on the internet rather than addressing my point if you think I am wrong. I try to follow the doctors that have been right and not pushing overly dramatic questionable data. I also read deeper than a simple headline. I also run things by other doctor friends. I don't think that covid treatment protocol I posted earlier from EVMS was from the blind either. Am I wrong that post viral fatigue/post viral syndrome causes those sequelae listed in that study? Is there any reason to think that these issues are unique to covid and different from other serious infections that cause these same things? This phenomenon has been known about for decades. From 1991 https://academic.oup.com/bmb/article-abstract/47/4/966/289791?redirectedFrom=PDF And a much longer paper dealing with various viral infections https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/BF03391675.pdf There is a ton of literature on it not just from "bros". Don't be so dismissive.
Hey yea you’re correct that was a dismissive post on my end I edited it right after. Sometimes all of us need to pause before hitting post, myself included. In regards to post viral syndrome fatigue etc can result from a whole host of things but you have to put it into context. It’s a pretty common thing known (meaning it’s in textbooks and doesn’t require novel articles). For example, if you have the flu and feel super fatigued 2 months out something is probably wrong. Further workup is required. It also requires delving deeper into the pathophysiology. Covid is unlike any/most viruses. The inflammatory cascade, hypercoaguability is pretty crazy. It behaves like an inflammatory condition as opposed to an infection. Really screws with our immune system. Therefore it also requires knowledge of the systemic aspect as opposed to virology. It’s kind of in its own branch and something that will shape how we look at viral infections in the future. If I had to make an analogy it would be to HPV. Sure it’s a virus and people get infected so what right? Hpv is exclusively related to head & neck, cervical cancers. It’s role as an infectious agent is nonexistent when compared to its propensity to cause cancer.
QQ Let's get our big family together this year so there won't be as many for years to come. Makes sense.
No kidding. WIthout any reason, too. They act like there's some kind of disease out there. The nerve of these people. Freeeduuuuuumb!
I read an article with an argument that FL has handled it much better than states like NYC. The idea (which is pretty obvious) is we should focus less on infection rates on the population as a whole vs infection rates of high risk individuals. The CDC should have a class system based on at risk individuals. If you are a high risk person, you should be adhering to level 4 lock down.
Along with discussing politics this Thanksgiving, this is a great plan to save money on future Christmas gifts.
‘No One Is Listening to Us’ More people than ever are hospitalized with COVID-19. Health-care workers can’t go on like this. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/11/third-surge-breaking-healthcare-workers/617091/ Hospitals have put their pandemic plans into action, adding more beds and creating makeshift COVID-19 wards. But in the hardest-hit areas, there are simply not enough doctors, nurses, and other specialists to staff those beds. Some health-care workers told me that COVID-19 patients are the sickest people they’ve ever cared for: They require twice as much attention as a typical intensive-care-unit patient, for three times the normal length of stay. “It was doable over the summer, but now it’s just too much,” says Whitney Neville, a nurse based in Iowa. “Last Monday we had 25 patients waiting in the emergency department. They had been admitted but there was no one to take care of them.” I asked her how much slack the system has left. “There is none,” she said. The entire state of Iowa is now out of staffed beds, Eli Perencevich, an infectious-disease doctor at the University of Iowa, told me. Worse is coming. Iowa is accumulating more than 3,600 confirmed cases every day; relative to its population, that’s more than twice the rate Arizona experienced during its summer peak, “when their system was near collapse,” Perencevich said. With only lax policies in place, those cases will continue to rise. Hospitalizations lag behind cases by about two weeks; by Thanksgiving, today’s soaring cases will be overwhelming hospitals that already cannot cope. “The wave hasn’t even crashed down on us yet,” Perencevich said. “It keeps rising and rising, and we’re all running on fear. The health-care system in Iowa is going to collapse, no question.” In the imminent future, patients will start to die because there simply aren’t enough people to care for them. Doctors and nurses will burn out. The most precious resource the U.S. health-care system has in the struggle against COVID-19 isn’t some miracle drug. It’s the expertise of its health-care workers—and they are exhausted. The first two surges were concentrated in specific parts of the country, so beleaguered hospitals could call for help from states that weren’t besieged. “People were coming to us in our hour of need,” says Madad, from NYC Health + Hospitals, “but now the entire nation is on fire.” No one has reinforcements to send. There are travel nurses who aren’t tied to specific health systems, but the hardest-hit rural hospitals are struggling to attract them away from wealthier, urban centers. “Everyone is tapping into the same pool, and people don’t want to work in Fargo, North Dakota, for the holidays,” Suttle says. North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum recently said that nurses who are positive for COVID-19 but symptom-free can return to work in COVID-19 units. “That’s just a big red flag of just how serious it is,” Suttle says. (The North Dakota Nurses Association has rejected the policy.) Short-staffed hospitals could transfer their patients—but to where? “A lot of smaller hospitals don’t have ventilators or staff trained to take care of someone in critical condition,” says Renae Moch, the director of Bismarck-Burleigh Public Health, North Dakota. “They’re looking to larger hospitals,” but those are also full. As hard as the work fatigue is, the “societal fatigue” is harder, said Hatton, the Utah pulmonary specialist. He is tired of walking out of an ICU where COVID-19 has killed another patient, and walking into a grocery store where he hears people saying it doesn’t exist. Health-care workers and public-health officials have received threats and abusive messages accusing them of fearmongering. They’ve watched as friends have adopted Donald Trump’s lies about doctors juking the hospitalization numbers to get more money. They’ve pleaded with family members to wear masks and physically distance, lest they end up competing for ICU beds that no longer exist. “Nurses have been the most trusted profession for 18 years in a row, which is now bullshit because no one is listening to us,” Neville said. ..
Whatever Florida is doing is leading to many daily cases per capita and many more daily deaths than NY - and that is despite having significant advantages in both weather and population density. 33% more daily cases and 168% more daily deaths over the last 7 days in FL than NY.
These are statistics that should be converted to some sort of app/widget. Essentially a person plugs in their data (age/health conditions/ect) and the app uses location tracking to let a person know what risk category they belong in at that moment.
Im not really interested in cherry picking points. Here are statistics from the CDC. If you're going to bring up weather, you should distinguish between physics/biology and peoples pattern of movement during the seasons. When it comes to physics/biology, Florida will have the advantage across the board year round, however its not that significant. UV rays do not penetrate stagnant air circulation found inside buildings nor do you find high humid conditions in these buildings where most of the cases are contracted. During the summer, yes, beaches and theme parks are crowded but overall people tend to stay inside. Mid November is when FL's 'summer' starts and people start spending much more time outdoors. Keep in mind FL is completely open with no restrictions and NY is the most restrictive. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100klast7days Florida: Cases/100k Last 7 days: 23.8 Cases Last 7 Days: 35,449 Total Cases: 851,825 Cases/100k: 3,999 Deaths/100k: 81 NYC (exclude NYC) Cases/100k Last 7 Days: 22.4 Cases Last 7 Days: 17,434 Total Cases: 268,786 Cases/100K: 2,412 Deaths/100k: 84 New York City Cases/100k Last 7 Days: 16.3 Cases Last 7 Days: 9,594 Total Cases: 280,647 Cases/100K: 3,342 Deaths/100k: 287
Not apples to oranges as NY...specifically highly populated areas, have a larger percent of people that have had it and a larger percent of the at risk population there is already dead. I wouldn't say this is good Florida, but I wouldn't call NY a success story in comparison despite recent trends. I worry about NYC if they don't get this current wave under control soon.
While there's some variation by region (ie, NYC being different from the rest of NY), Florida has more total cases per capita than New York in total. So at this point, Florida has had more of its people infected and yet still is having more new cases and deaths.
This shows what I'm saying. Florida is having a much bigger outbreak right now than New York (city or state). Your data doesn't includes Deaths Last 7 Days, where Florida is more than double New York. So the idea that Florida's strategy is the smarter one to keep people alive relative to New York doesn't seem to hold much water based on the data. New York's deaths largely were in Month 1. Since then, they have been across the board better in every category than most other states. In total, 28 states now have had more cases per capita than NY, so you can't really argue that their success is just due to achieving some type of herd immunity by accident from their initial disaster.
https://covidtracking.com/blog/weekly-update-nov-12 One in 378 US residents tested positive for COVID-19 this week, and hospitalizations have nearly doubled in the past two weeks. The United States is posting new records for cases and hospitalizations nearly every day, and healthcare systems are reaching capacity in many areas where cases have spiked. Cases are up 41 percent, hospitalizations up 20 percent, and deaths up 23 percent. States reported 875,401 new cases this week; 1 in 378 Americans tested positive for COVID-19 this week. The seven-day average of deaths now exceeds 1,000 per day, a level not seen since the summer surge. States reported another 7,382 lives lost to COVID-19 in the past week. The number of people who are hospitalized with COVID-19 in the United States has nearly doubled in the past two weeks, and hospitalizations increased in 47 states. As project co-leaders Erin Kissane and Alexis Madrigal wrote on our site and in The Atlantic earlier this week, the dangerous spike in hospitalizations suggests that further increases in the number of fatalities are imminent. Twenty-seven states this week hit a record for the number of new cases reported. Testing is up 13 percent this week, but as we have written many times, this testing increase, while important, cannot account for a 41 percent increase in cases. Because of substantial inconsistencies in the way states and territories report their COVID-19 tests, we do not calculate test positivity from the public data we can compile. But according to the White House Task Force—which has access to federal reporting pipelines—20 states now have a test positivity rate of more than 10 percent, with many counties at more than 20 percent test positivity. ...
