I think we need to accept this isnt going anywhere anytime soon (ie: we can't expect everyone to hide in their house until this goes away). We also need to accept the strategies we have been using are not as effective as we hoped. We also should move from prevention mode to a mitigate mode. First stop with the pointless bailouts. This isnt to say we can't help individuals in serious need, but at the same time, we do not need every small business to survive. Its better to put the money directly into peoples hands than flow them through businesses. Also we can't maintain everyones lifestyle. Sacrifices will need to be made. The bailout money that would mostly be pissed in the wind could be used to fund testing. We need easy access testing facilities with quick results...to the tune of hundreds of millions of tests a month. Additionally the government needs provide literature to help navigate those who get sick. This includes preventative care.
No kidding https://www.biomax.com/lib/press-releases/Initial-Result-Announcment_English.pdf The health of many Corona patients who have not been admitted to hospital is still 'frighteningly poor' after months. That's what Longfonds director Michael Rutgers says. Many home patients even have problems walking. Fatigue, shortness of breath, chest pressure, headaches, muscle aches: almost three months after the first symptoms typical for the virus, part of the Corona patients who were sick at home still have serious complaints. This was the conclusion of a survey carried out by the Dutch Lung Foundation together with the treatment and knowledge centre CIRO and Maastricht University among more than 1600 people with Corona type complains. No less than 95 percent of those surveyed indicated that they had problems with simple daily activities. Longfonds director Michael Rutgers. „We're really shocked by this. More than six in ten even have problems walking.'' Of the people who participated in the study, 91 percent have never been in hospital because of Corona, and 43 percent have not been diagnosed by a doctor. "This is the first time that this large patient group has been identified. These people really need to be seen, heard and helped,'' says Rutgers. „We need to prevent this group of patients from ending up invisible after corona.'' The average age of participants in the study is 53 years. By far the largest group (85 percent) says that their health was good before the Corona infection; now only 6 percent experience good health. Nearly half of them said that they were no longer able to exercise after the corona infection. The health of corona patients who have experienced the disease at home is frighteningly poor,'' explains the Longfonds director. Until now, the focus has been - rightly so - on the people who have ended up in the hospital or even on the ICU. But we shouldn't forget this group of home-based Corona patients.'' Patients with lung problems after Corona can visit an online platform 'Coronalongplein' of the Lung Fund and the Lung Alliance Netherlands (LAN). There is also a 12,000 member Facebook group with Corona experiences and long-term complaints. Rutgers: "That thousands to tens of thousands of people still have complaints is certain; the question is whether that will remain so in the long run.” Top 10 most frequently mentioned complaints, almost three months after the first symptoms Fatigue (87.8%) Shortness of breath or tightness of breath (74.2%) Chest pressure (45.4%) Headache (39.8%) Muscle pain (36.2%) Pain between shoulder blades (35.2%) Palpitations (32.7%) Increased resting heart rate (30.1%) Dizziness (28.6%) Coughing (28.3%)
Think it’s safe to say the strategies were not only ineffective, but were a complete failure. And think prevention and mitigate mode are essentially the same at this point: mask up if you out.
Oh, I'm sure you-know-who already has "new Chinese virus" or some variant, already typed up and ready to tweet at any moment's notice.
How can we effectively be contact tracing when our president tells the public this virus is 99% harmless? The 3 main strategies that have been helping other countries are testing, contact tracing, and wearing a damn mask. We don't need a revolutionary strategy.
If it's a serious case, it might get him to change his policies. But if it's mild and he recovers in a few days, he might just double down on his beliefs.
If this doesn’t disappear soon I’m going to take a syringe of bleach to the abdomen to be safe. I hope it does disappear though. The heat kills this thing too I have heard and come to understand.
This. Hong Kong tightened measures yesterday because of 14 new cases. Meanwhile Disney World is opening in 4 days just as Florida is recording it’s highest positivity rate.
This is the point im really trying to hammer on... the vast misinformation and intentional nearsightedness of it all. Not all masks are the same. And nobody cares. What is the point telling people to wear masks when many of them are only 20% effective compared to the masks we all should be wearing. And the basic hygiene of masks.... The fact that nobody in authority is making this an issue only furthers what many believe. The economy is more important. Just like we were told masks were not important in the beginning, now we are told to wear masks just to make us feel safer. We can and we should be doing better.
There are two conflicting things here. There was lack of information, and then there was misinformation specific to the US. It's incredible looking at the charts of New Daily Cases. Looking at yesterday: #1 - US (around 50k) #2-#24 - various developing nations The next "developed" country on the list is at #25, with Israel having 791 new cases. The problem is specific to the US - even the limited real information available around the world was clearly able to contain this in countries with solid health care infrastructure and leadership. That said, we are stuck with where are now, and I'm not sure how you stop it at this point without a much more extended shutdown. This is also exactly what health authorities in the US warned us would happen - so the information problem is not universal even here.
I mean at this point, it feels like we are failing an open book test. Plenty of countries saw spikes in Covid-19 before the US. Heck, the analogy is even more apt for places like California/Texas/Arizona/Florida that got to learn from all the mistakes of the states that took a hit early on...
I completely agree. When it comes to the US, we need to remove our 'COVID' lens to see the bigger problem. We are a country largely founded on personal freedoms. Our 'rights' supersede those we place in authority. We b**** about global warming and the environment yet we buy massive houses, over-sized vehicles, and so much other **** that ends up in our landfills or nature. We want to be armed to the teeth because we are afraid of violent criminals, but yet we dont understand why we have gun control problems. And when **** hits the fan, we expect the government to throw money out freely so people can maintain lifestyles that are already beyond their means. How could anyone not predict this outcome? Americans are irresponsible. We get what we deserve. We deserve this outbreak. We deserve Trump. We deserve all of the crappy politicians in office who only serve themselves. Nothing has changed in the last 3 decades and there is no immediate signs that any of this will change.
This is the problem I have with the "all politicians are the same!" nonsense. What's happening now wouldn't happen under any other administration during the last 3 decades. It's entirely unique to this moment in time and the specific leadership we have and the attitudes that have been stoked fairly recently. It has nothing to do with how selfish Americans are or freedom or anything like that. We had no problems leading in previous pandemics. People didn't revolt during avian flu or ebola or anything else. We simply had real leadership.
Americans are not more stupid or selfish than other nations. Everyone is stupid in their own way. Have I heard plenty of stupid and selfish stuff in these months, oh boy. Things said in national tv and media all over europe and asia and south america. From religious lunacies like holly communion is safe to we have special genes. "Italians didnt really die they are just lazy thats why they closed down their country" The difference is leadership. When **** hit the fan most everywhere politicians gave the wheel to scientists.
To be fair, previous pandemics did not require shut down of certain sectors of the economy, social distancing or masks. I think under any other administration, we would have likely had a similar results regarding what was necessary to stop the spread, however, I do believe that a different administration would have done a much much better job getting under control and minimizing the impacts of the virus. I also believe this has to do with selfish Americans. I'm pretty damn sure whoever would of required them to wear of mask, we still would of seen the same level of stupid currently seen.
I would just say that there are stupid people all over the world, and other countries still were able to get it under control. The key was unified messaging and leadership at the national level, as well as government-driven PPE, testing, tracing, etc. Those things overcome stupid people. Instead, our federal government did basically nothing and provided convoluted messaging. Many states did the same, meaning hundreds of different jurisdictions were duplicating the same efforts and competing with each other for resources for no reason.
