1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

COVID-19 (coronavirus disease)/SARS-CoV-2 virus

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by tinman, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. Invisible Fan

    Invisible Fan Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2001
    Messages:
    45,954
    Likes Received:
    28,050
    It spread in 2019 with supposedly high levels of virulence, and it's a travel hub... How didn't it spread all around China?
     
  2. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    100,014
    Likes Received:
    49,493
    I mean there are more than 100s lesser known names, if you exclude those that failed during Phase 3, you would sit on at least 10 drugs.
     
  3. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    100,014
    Likes Received:
    49,493
    There is only so much they can do.

    I bet they can't account for those that died in October, November and possibly December.

    As I emphasized earlier Wuhan is only the tenth or eleventh known city there, fairly unknown and inconspicuous internationally.

    Also local municipal government was even less competent than overall CCP.
     
    #6303 daywalker02, Apr 17, 2020
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2020
  4. Amiga

    Amiga Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    25,149
    Likes Received:
    23,432
    It did spread all over China, according to their data. If the data is accurate, the logical explanation (of why it didn't spread more) is the outbreak was small in Dec and even in early Jan prior to lunar NY and the complete isolation of Wuhan.
     
    malakas and B-Bob like this.
  5. LosPollosHermanos

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2009
    Messages:
    30,083
    Likes Received:
    14,147
    He’s not a medical doctor, meaning he doesn’t know jack **** (on this)
     
    malakas likes this.
  6. Astrodome

    Astrodome Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2015
    Messages:
    13,036
    Likes Received:
    15,018
    From what i understand, china cut off domestic travel to and from wuhan but allowed international travel from wuhan.
     
  7. snowconeman22

    snowconeman22 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2008
    Messages:
    14,580
    Likes Received:
    16,515
    Lol people are getting antsy
     
  8. SuraGotMadHops

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2009
    Messages:
    6,627
    Likes Received:
    8,219
    Are you freakin serious???
     
  9. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    100,014
    Likes Received:
    49,493
    Might be true that they screwed up the logistics, allowed international travel to run its course for days or weeks.
     
  10. dc rock

    dc rock Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2001
    Messages:
    7,674
    Likes Received:
    13,535
  11. jchu14

    jchu14 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2000
    Messages:
    1,050
    Likes Received:
    1,133
    Do you have a link for that?

    I seriously doubt that domestic travels were restricted before the official lockdown. Millions of people travel domestically by train and plane in China. If the government had paused domestic service, there is no way it could've been kept quiet. It just doesn't pass the smell test to me.
     
  12. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2002
    Messages:
    35,986
    Likes Received:
    36,841
    I know of Chinese people who had their flights to the US cancelled at the time. I know that's just anecdotal. But think about it this way: Typically governments can control domestic travel and incoming travel more easily than telling international carriers what to do anyway. The US currently has the worst outbreak on planet earth, but has our government shut down outbound international travel? I don't think it has. So, are we intentionally exporting the virus?

    Anyway, we need more detailed reporting before we accept the idea that China intentionally exported this pandemic while trying to control it internally.

    A blow to global business really hurts China badly. There isn't really a logical model where someone launches this thing intentionally, unless you picture someone like the joker.

    And again, the scientific evidence (if any of us care), feels pretty solid that this virus is as natural as most any virus that bothers humanity. If you look directly at the genetics, it looks like bat -> pangolin -> human.

    Cheers.
     
    daywalker02 likes this.
  13. Astrodome

    Astrodome Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2015
    Messages:
    13,036
    Likes Received:
    15,018
  14. Amiga

    Amiga Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    25,149
    Likes Received:
    23,432
    Cokebabies likes this.
  15. Amiga

    Amiga Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    25,149
    Likes Received:
    23,432
    We also do know the US and other nations have to charter their own flights to get their citizen out. But anyhow, now that we know the source is from an extreme right bias blog, I think it not worth consideration.
     
  16. Commodore

    Commodore Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    33,578
    Likes Received:
    17,551
     
    #6316 Commodore, Apr 17, 2020
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2020
  17. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2002
    Messages:
    35,986
    Likes Received:
    36,841
    editing my D&D type response.

    I hope our pols spend more resources and time building up testing and contact tracing than they do spouting off about China.
     
    #6317 B-Bob, Apr 17, 2020
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2020
    Amiga and ElPigto like this.
  18. Astrodome

    Astrodome Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2015
    Messages:
    13,036
    Likes Received:
    15,018
    Fair enough. But Bret Baier has been reliable.
     
  19. Amiga

    Amiga Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    25,149
    Likes Received:
    23,432
    Yes, he is reliable.
     
  20. Amiga

    Amiga Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    25,149
    Likes Received:
    23,432
    I agree... but to avoid this thread from getting to D&D territory, I'll stop going further. However, I will continue to point out clear bias when I do see it.
     

Share This Page