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[Covfefe buffoon] Who will lead the free world now?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by CometsWin, Jun 1, 2017.

  1. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Bobby, regardless of anyone's opinion of the deal, America led the way for creating a pact of nearly 200 nations. It did. You can say it was a mistake, or whatever, but it was true diplomatic leadership.

    It is not leading when a big kid takes his ball and goes home, because he didn't like the last team captain. And it's not leading when the new kid would prefer nobody follow him. That's no semantic game, it's just obvious if we're going to honor the term leader, which is the thread topic.
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    it's not leading to stay in an agreement you believe to not be in your best interest simply so that the cool kids won't get mad at you for it. The agreement wasn't in the US' best interest and the terms were vastly better for other countries involved, if you are looking out for the best interests of this country, you wouldn't go along with that. The last president didn't care about this country's best interests which is why he had no problem with the deal as he was always a fan of skyrocketing energy prices in this country and he admitted so.

    It's just a difference of perspective. Do you care about the best interests of those in this country or do you want to do what the cool kids want you to do even if it puts you at a disadvantage?

    Understandably there are people on both sides of this discussion.
     
  3. No Worries

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    Just to make your fan base happy to strike down another Obama achievement.

    Climate change is a China hoax!!! 99.9% of climate scientists disagree!
     
  4. Bobbythegreat

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    No one said that "climate change is a China hoax".....so your nonsense rhetoric has nothing to do with the issue at hand unsurprisingly. Explain your point without resorting to that kind of moronic nonsense if you want to convince someone, continue to act like a clown if you want to make people think that there is no substance to your position. Your choice kiddo.
     
  5. calurker

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    Some were afraid we might have elected a Julius Caesar in Drumpf. Who knew we might have skipped over 500 years and elected an Honorius instead?
     
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  6. Invisible Fan

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    Well someone did bring it up.



    It does sound moronic, clownlike and insubstantial.

    Maybe the reason why people are "triggered" against Trump is because they have context.
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    Those statements aren't relevant though, that's my point. If you are basing your opinion on this on those statements from 5 years ago then you are going to look pretty foolish. Discuss the actual issue at hand, not unrelated stupid things Trump said half a decade ago.
     
  8. Invisible Fan

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    It would be a nice shift in your goalpost of "nobody" claiming the China hoax, except the tweet is relevant because Trump hasn't changed nor corrected his position since that time.

    But hey, if Trump had a come to Jesus moment, you might have a debatable point.
     
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  9. Bobbythegreat

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    When I said "nobody" I'm talking about THIS discussion, not "nobody in the history of the world has said that". Again, you refuse to discuss the actual issue and only seek to muddy the water with unrelated BS. If you think this was the wrong move solely due to what he said 5 years ago, that's a pretty simple minded way of looking at things. Be better than that.
     
  10. Invisible Fan

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    Trump has claimed global warming is a hoax over the years, which is more or less the same attitude his supporters have taken.

    It's not real, it's made up, it's a fantasy like religion...

    Again, the climate accord was mostly non-binding and more of a goal for the world to work together. If a president thinks Global Warming is not real, then he'd rather pull out the cupcake agreement than increase efficiencies for renewables through economies of scale.

    The problem is that the after effects of global warming are incalculable, so projected costs from losses are too spread out to accurately gauge.
     
  11. Bobbythegreat

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    You chose to repeat this despite me pointing out to you how it's irrelevant to this conversation......but you be you I guess.

    This still doesn't hit on the actual discussion.
     
  12. sirbaihu

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    Leadership isn't just leading the parade. Leadership requires consistency. If America's going to do a 180 every time it changes presidents, no one's going to take our word as lasting.

    So now what? All the other countries wait and assume this is not the real American position: just wait around for us four years? Or figure this decision will never change? Trump reverses Obama, should the next president do another 180 like Trump? Is that the right way or the wrong way?
     
  13. Bobbythegreat

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    If they wanted it to ensure that every future president would stick to the bad deal, it should have been done in the form of a treaty and have been ratified by the senate. A non binding agreement isn't worth the paper it's written on.
     
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    She will:

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    China. While the bullshitter in Chief does his routines, China will take advantage, and since they are already ahead of schedule of meeting a symbolic promise, they have new credibility.
     
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    Macron has the fortitude and Merkel has the resources to take over. If they work together they are more than capable (I think it's funny to imagine Germany and France working together so closely. I know politically they haven't been adversaries for many decades, but that there was UT/A&M twenty years ago type rivalry is still present betwixt them.)
     
  17. Bobbythegreat

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    I like how the notion of "leadership" is really just "who will support the things I want supported?" in the minds of many, it's kind of funny how that works.

    It's always ideology over country for people like that.
     
  18. No Worries

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    I see you enjoy writing in the third person.
     
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    You can tell Bobby has never held a leadership position in his life when he dismisses the ability to bring 200 nations to the table to agree on one set of terms as being a p***y.

    ^^ That notion there is what will end America's reign as the world's hegemon. It's the naive an idealist "acting tough for appearances sake' type leadership that will end this nation's dominance.
     
  20. SamFisher

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    It's been a long time, like literally a century or more, that the US President got routinely clowned by the French, Germans and Russians simultaneously.

    It's ironic that Trump wants a return to 19th c. Regional domination geopolitics when he is so ill-equipped for it. Actually wait, it's not ironic, he's a fool installed by Russia in the midst of cognitive decline. So it's...just is.

    Welcome to #MAGA
     

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