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Court Reinstates Texas Voter ID Requirement, Allowing State to Enforce Law This Election

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  1. heypartner

    heypartner Contributing Member

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    Not sure how to interpret this half-formed bubbling of emot-tellect. But read this again:

    Voter fraud doesn't exist in any meaningful way, period. Voter Suppression laws are fake attempts to solve a problem that doesn't exist, via a mechanism that doesn't work. They are real attempts to suppress votes.
     
  2. Space Ghost

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    Since I work all the time and I am required to take time off and drive 45 minutes back to my precinct to vote, this technically is money out of my pocket for lost wages and fuel, so therefore I can claim it is a poll tax.

    It is amazing how you can twist r****ded logic.

    Requiring ID to vote is pointless, however it is not a poll tax. I will love it when the Republicans find a way to take advantage of not requiring an ID.
     
  3. heypartner

    heypartner Contributing Member

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    Not sure how to interpret this half-formed bubbling of emot-tellect. But read this again:

    Voter fraud doesn't exist in any meaningful way, period. Voter Suppression laws are fake attempts to solve a problem that doesn't exist, via a mechanism that doesn't work. They are real attempts to suppress votes.
     
  4. Deckard

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    I just have to point out that voter fraud doesn't exist in any meaningful way, period. Voter Suppression laws are fake attempts to solve a problem that doesn't exist, via a mechanism that doesn't work. They are real attempts to suppress votes.

    Perhaps if this is repeated often enough, it will sink in with some deluded people that the "problem" simply isn't there. The real problem is the constant attempt by the Republican Party to suppress voting by Americans. And why do they do something so unAmerican? Fear.
     
  5. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...sent_n_6007612.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

    District Court Judge Nelva Gonzalez Ramos struck down the law earlier this month on the grounds that it would serve as a deterrent to a large number of registered voters, most of them black or Hispanic. "Based on the testimony and numerous statistical analyses provided at trial, this Court finds that approximately 608,470 registered voters in Texas, representing approximately 4.5% of all registered voters, lack qualified SB 14 ID and of these, 534,512 voters do not qualify for a disability exemption," Gonzalez Ramos wrote.

    Ginsburg echoed these findings in her dissent, though Texas officials dispute these figures. "The potential magnitude of racially discriminatory voter disenfranchisement counseled hesitation before disturbing the District Court’s findings and final judgment," Ginsburg wrote. "Senate Bill 14 may prevent more than 600,000 registered Texas voters (about 4.5% of all registered voters) from voting in person for lack of compliant identification. Id., at 50–51, 54. A sharply disproportionate percentage of those voters are African-American or Hispanic."

    Ginsburg pointedly added that "racial discrimination in elections in Texas is no mere historical artifact. To the contrary, Texas has been found in violation of the Voting Rights Act in every redistricting cycle from and after 1970."
     
  6. glynch

    glynch Contributing Member

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    Not having voting on weekends or on a national holiday as is done in many countries is one of the oldest voter suppression techniques.
     
  7. GladiatoRowdy

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    No dodge at all. Your stupid contention that you are required to show ID to buy a gun was the specific topic of my comment.
     
  8. Refman

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    Holding a protest or rally isn't Constitutionally protected? News to me.
     
  9. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    It's a smart move by Republicans. Without Voter ID laws they might actually have to try to get minority votes. Now they can hold onto the House for another 10-15 years and maintain their racist platform.

    I wonder what they will do when voter ID laws don't help them hold onto power and they have pissed off all the minorities.
     
  10. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Yes, of course. How many times have you gotten a permit to hold a rally?
     
  11. Space Ghost

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    Very very good glynch! One of the best thoughts in the thread. Now when we compare voter fraud and likely voters with no forms of ID vs those who would dont vote but would on a weekend or holiday, I think it would be safe to say which side is more effected.

    Here is another idea; Why do we not trade in one of our pointless holidays and make the first Monday in November a Voter Holiday.
     
  12. br0ken_shad0w

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    You know why this Voter ID is a crock of *****? A concealed gun license is adequate proof of Voter ID. A driver's license is adequate proof of Voter ID. Neither which prove that you're a citizen.

    You know what's NOT adequate proof?
    -A Texas-issued student ID card
    -An ID card produced from another state
    -Department of Veterans Affairs ID card (which they won't issue if you're NOT a citizen)
    -A Native American American ID card (which they won't issue if you're NOT a citizen)

    I don't mind Voter ID itself, but adding in bull***** restrictions to disfranchise certain groups and populations is completely wrong. Of course, this is Texas though. We're all about doing that sort of thing so this is pretty par for the course.
     
  13. bigtexxx

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    Some of you folks need to get a grip. This is a common sense measure. If you want to vote, you should have an ID.

    All you liberals who are saying there's no problem with voter fraud -- that's a red herring. The issue is COULD there be a problem in the future if people don't have to show IDs? The answer is yes.

    Common sense, folks. move along.
     
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    what MIGHT happen, what COULD happen, or what is LIKELY to happen.


    that's called conjecture: the formation or expression of an opinion or theory without sufficient evidence for proof.
     
  15. GladiatoRowdy

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    AKA, the only thing bigpuffery has.
     
  16. bigtexxx

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    Even the liberal bastion of Canada requires voter identification. Your position is simply a self-serving bias that goes against a common sense requirement.
     
  17. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    The issue is COULD Global Warming be a problem with C02 warming the world? The answer is yes.

    Thanks for admitting that you should be supporting climate change legislation. Common sense, folks. move along.
     
  18. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    This is the only way Republicans can keep power. By making it hard for people to vote. Basically they are working to suppress turnout.

    400,000 registered voters in texas would have to make a 3 hour trip to get to an office to vote and get an id. Most of which are minority and poor.

    This is a racist law and very sad. Guised under protecting a system from corruption that is already corruption free. If this is the only way Republicans can keep power, they should be scared.
     
  19. GladiatoRowdy

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    Of course, Canada allows a wide variety of different types of ID and even provides procedures so that the homeless can, without cost, obtain the necessary ID to vote. In addition, a person without ID can be vouched for by a person with, so long as they both sign sworn statements.

    If the voter ID laws being passed here had the same or similar regulations as those in Canada, I wouldn't be opposed to them. Of course, if this were the case, they wouldn't suppress Democrat voters, which is the entire aim of these laws in the first place.

    Try again, rook.

    http://canadaonline.about.com/od/federalelections/a/voter-id-canadian-federal-elections.htm
     
  20. GladiatoRowdy

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    They're terrified, which is the entire reason they are passing these laws.
     

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