Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

For sure. I erased a comment for some reason highlighting the difference between regulation of possessions and property and invasion of personal space.

Its not about the car, I commented to much on that. Its the state's mode of thinking, how the state feels our movements serves THEM, instead of the state serving OUR needs like its SUPPOSED to be. Its become backwards, simple as that. We're the compliant sheeps they finagle around, and the state is the shepherd.

Anytime you see that "California" is where the idea is coming from, do the opposite. This state has some of the worst pseudo-liberalism. Its accomplishes nothing but swelled prison systems, terrible business climate, fat fat state worker pensions, etc.

Its all money, power and arrogance, and wanting to secure the money, power and arrogance without giving it up. And all these f**king WEINIES out in the world who believe life is unfair and "we're different" cuz its the 21st century. The crime rates have been steady the past few decades. Actually nothing's changed the past few centuries, the world keeps turning. We just imagine its spinning off its axis and are scared hopeless p*****s at paranoia's mercy. There's no particular crime wave spike that necessitates this kind of action.

I think we need to bring back the draft. That'll straighten up everyone.

 

Lady Liberty is being murdered one tiny cut at a time.

 

What about a theoretical good use for tracking. Having NO prison walls and full on tracking?
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1969/12/prison-without-walls/8195/

What he's saying is that under electronic surveillance, criminals would have freedom of movement in general society. It'd enable them to make a conscious choice to be better while being able to have some semblance of a normal life. They'd have alarm bells set off every time they did something out of character, warning nearby people and authorities. It'd serve as its own 911 call. Itd probably be even more correctional than what a correctional facility can provide. Because its forcing the person develop their own conscience.

What this also tells me is electronic monitoring is so suppressive that you don't even NEED a prison!

("GPS", "electronic monitoring", "surveillance", "digital corrections", its all one in the same thing. Just call it what it is - TRACKING bugs.)

People putting chips on their pets is a sign of OWNERSHIP. If the pet were allowed to do what it wants, it wouldnt get chipped. Hows it any different for humans? You're regulating them to a desired outcome. We already have scaredy old people listening to the police radio at home. (And yes, an old person sent my name to the police under SUSPICION that they thought I committed a crime, based on the radio report description...

Whats next, when you walk into the store you get scanned and your credit score shows up on their monitor, so they'll know whether to serve you or not?

I'm afraid its too late though. Is already happening. Get used to it cuz thats where things are definitely trending.
Efficiency and correctness and predictability trumps humanity, simple as that.

Environmentalists will love this because cars are already killing the earth. They can start tracking the mileage on the car and put limits on distance. If you drive over a certain number of miles, you'll get fined. Cuz the earth is dying, they have to stop you electronically since they couldnt make you see the error of your ways socially.

Why not just drug people, brainwash people's minds, color code them, oh yeah NONE of that is in the Constitution.

It'll happen because people already believe its anything goes to protect MY KID. My kid is to be safe, I don't care what everyone else feels. Even if I have to......put a GPS chip on my kid to track them.

(Also feminists and weenie elitists won't give a crap, cuz the thought is all women are inherently good, men have to atone for their wicked ways. And "its about time". Thats why I don't like 'em )

 

You know... people could focus their outrage in the form of political pressure to make this explicitly illegal.

Or we could just lament how we're losin r freedomz one by one on the almighty interwebs.

 

Good grief! Where did that come from?

State retirement is a contract between the state and the state employee. That employee works "X" number of years and is rewarded with a state pension for his or her service and experience while working at a lower salary than many could get in the private sector. I agree with you that California in an incredible mess. Both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, along with the public, are responsible. To say state pensions in and of themselves are a big part of the problem would be wrong. Here in Texas, our state employee retirement system (ERS) is on pretty solid footing. Like all entities with very large investments, they've been hurt by the recent economic unpleasantness, but they remain sound. Over the years, the state has not given ERS the funding that they could and should have, back when the state's economy was booming, so to make up for the shortfall, benefits have been reduced. In other words, Texas is not California.

So you care about your kid. Not surprising. I care about my kids, as well. It's fine if you want your children exposed to a draft, but it will be with me out on the streets again, protesting, if the draft ever looks like it might come back. A draft would ruin the finest military on the planet. A draft would not make a damned bit of difference in how people act. I know. I was around when we had one and wasn't a kid, either. You simply don't know what you're talking about, with all due respect.

 

my question is, if you found one of these devices on your car, would it be illegal to remove them?

 

My question would be, if it's there without a warrant, what happened to my country?

 

roman-style bankruptcy happened.

and once the mob eventually figures that out, this past decade of preparatory law enforcement measures will help to -contain their displeasure and -protect property still held by wealthy elite

 

In other words, not much of a real argument.

Keep screaming LIBERTY and FREEDOM then. As sad as it may be, we know that's more than enough to get the job done in our country.

 

Yeah but that's their property, they can do what they want on their own property. The question is using my property to do this surveillance.

 

Except the bug issue has nothing to do with ease of use. Bugs are illegal because they are specifically used to access conversations that a cop couldn't legally hear (phones, private residences, etc). That's an entirely different issue than a car that's in plain view.

Agreed - this is why that part is such a core issue, in my opinion.

 

Technically, they aren't using your property. The surveillance is being done by the GPS tracker, which is their property. The question is whether they can place that on your property. There's nothing illegal about someone placing a flier on your windshield; is there something illegal about placing a GPS device there? That is the question that has to be resolved and defined by law.

 

This is why I want to know if it would be legal to remove it. Because if it is, then at least I have the ability to take action to protect my "privacy" (irregardless of whatever legal definition of car on a public street blah blah comes up).

 

That might be a murkier area but I'm pretty sure a private property owner has the right to prohibit solicitation on their property. If a grocery store for example warns someone not to distribute fliers on their property and they continue to do it then I would think they could be arrested.

 

I assume not, because it would still violate your reasonable expectation of privacy. When you have a conversation in your house, you expect it to be private. When you drive somewhere, you don't expect that to be private.

Absolutely - and that would be another interesting legal question for the circuit court: whether a person has the right to prohibit the police from putting the GPS tracker on their car (presumably, since it was done in secret, that was not relevant in this case).

 

I've been having a miserable week compounded by miserable previous weeks. Thats where that came from, that was my week in review. I don't even know if I was trying to know what I was talking about.

The draft thing was letting out frustration steam, it wasnt serious. I do think it'd enable some people to be a little more focused on the issues. Though it certainly wouldnt "fix everything". Not to mention the fact actual war casualties are low compared to previous years. I'm complaining about control, and of course the ultimate exercise of control is to draft, so naturally I'm against it.

I'll stand behind what I said about California. This legislature can't get dumped on enough That was supposed to read as pensions is one out of many issues, not a main issue by itself. Its just another way that legislature and leaders are running things into the ground here. Texas certainly is not California. Give us some of that part time legislature, gosh darnit (Or I'll just relocate back to the Lone Star Star state)

Also, I'm a non-conservative, if that means anything. I just get tired of big expensive grandiose ideas getting rubber stamped on through without any care for future fiscal consideration. Thats both on the politicians and the people. Like LA teachers having to get laid off, though LA USD just built a $600 million dollar K thru 12 school! Naturally the costliest in US history. More than Toyota Center and Minute Maid Park COMBINED. Thats all OUR MONEY! It was approved years ago when times were good but still...I want changes, but not change just for change sake.

Back to the issue of tracking, given a choice between GPS or draft....eh....I think the Patrick Henry route would be in order.