Once again, regarding the Bobcats' salary cap situation, see above. Signing Okafur to a 6 year, $72 million deal used up the vast majority of the Bobcats' cap room. I imagine that Landry may have been offered most of what was leftover.
yes. That is the definition of collusion. We would probably be penalized 1st round draft picks for the next five years, like Minnesota. as for why another team would extend an offer that Morey will match, how about we just try an Okham's Razor approach. The other team doesn't want to see the Rockets get away with signing Landry for cheap. They force us to pay more than Morey's last offer, thus getting us into Luxury Tax, of which their owner will get a portion; since the Bobcats will be in the pool of teams that share the tax revenue. Plus, now we probably pay even more tax to sign Deke. <b>bottomline: </b>Bobcats simply don't want us to get away with lowballing Landry and they benefit from getting another team to pay luxury taxes into the welfar pool.
No the bogus here, I heard that the concerns about the knee are real. A $3M/year is enough, even for this price, the rockets may not match it, but the chance is low. the bogus should be a $2M/per year.
Well the Rockets matched Landry and what did the Bobcats lose? I'll answer that for you nothing. If anything they gained at least the effort of trying to improve. As for driving up the price, most people on this board thought Landry was worth about half of the MLE and that is pretty close to what he got. Nothing here to see.
I wouldn't put it past him to do it. Or maybe even Landry or Baker, who would be just as motivated to have Charlotte extend a sheet. Is this wrong or collusion of some sort? I don't see how this should be illegal. There is no potential for abuse by having teams send lowball oversheets because the player can just choose not to sign them. Although, it doesn't really make sense for him to do it, because why not just offer him 9 million over 3 years yourself then?
that is the max cats can offer due to the cap rules unless cats use their MLE. it's very rare a team which still has 3 mil under the cap use MLE before spending 3 mil
Collusion is a list of simple definitions by the NBA. The definition regarding this one is any talk between teams for the purpose of controlling the salary offers made to free agents is illegal. There doesn't even have to be an agreement. If Team A and Team B say, let's not go over this X amount of dollars in our offer...that's collusion. In DaDakota's example, it is Team A says if you help me not have to go over X amount of dollars in my offer, I'll do Y for you. That's collusions. It destroys fair market value for free agents which is one of the *primary objectives* of the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the Union and the Owners.
HP, that is a reasonable argument, but why wouldn't a team in the WC take this approach, and why Charlotte, what have they got to gain by this? But, I can certainly see your viewpoint. Now if Head goes to Charlotte for Felton...well.... DD
As much of a Carl Landry fan I am, it certainly not worth Morey's time to collude with Charlotte. I mean if it's a starter than I could see how it's worth his while, or was the last piece of championship. But Landry is not that!
what you describe cannot be done. If they have a full MLE left, they are not technically under the cap. It is not The Cap minus player salaries = cap room. It is Cap minus (salaries + exceptions). To have cap room under your scenario, they would have to rescind their MLE (ie, terminate the use of it for the year) to get under the cap. So, it is impossible to have a full MLE and be 3mil under the cap at the same time.
DD, after long analysis and charts and graphs, I've concluded that I agree with you approximately 78.9214% of the time. This is not one of those times.
not sure but arent the only team under the cap in the west now Memphis? they could have extended landry an offer. The bobcats probably did it for the reason HP mentioned but they offered 3mil when their cap space was 3.2mil so they must have liked landry enough to want him on their team and at the same time they would stay under the LT. maybe the grizzlies didnt want landry in case the rockets didnt match in the cats perspective if the rockets didnt match they would have landry and still be under the LT. its was sort of a win win for them. The rockets matched now and they'll get a larger share at the end of the season if Morey doesnt shed a little cash off the roster.
HP, I think you are closer to the truth......why do you think another team in the WC didn't try to force the Rockets into Lux tax land? Do you think there might have been fear that Landry was injured and that the Rockets might not match? Thus leaving them with an asset they don't want? It just seems odd that Charlotte did this......unless as you pointed out, they really wanted him...... Hah !! That is more than I agree with myself...jk. DD
also, there is a rule that states teams cannot say, I only want to use my cap room on you so as to preserve my MLE. Once they pay a free agent via cap room, the portion of the MLE that would take them over the cap expires.
For the Rockets not to match any offer, there would have had to be a fundamental disagreement in the value of Landry. You're essentially asking why another team didn't overbid on Landry. If Landry received an offer greater than his value, the Rockets had effectively hedged that scenario with Joey Dorsey. Meanwhile, said team is stuck with (a potentially injured) Landry at a contract his former team wasn't willing to match. Luxury tax aside, what team wants to overpay for a player?
If healthy, Landry is worth his contract, even if not and he needs surgery, he would probably come back next year and earn it. I am happy with how it played out, just having fun with a conspiracy theory. DD
