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Could people imagine the outcry if this was done to African Americans?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by pirc1, Nov 14, 2005.

  1. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Member

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    Huh?

    I actually was debating some political issues with some friends. One girl was talking about some injustices in the US. A Chinese girl said it was really hard for her to complain because in the US we have as many or more freedom and rights than anywhere else. Maybe Chinese immigrants realize that the oppression here is practically non-existant compared to what goes on in other places.
     
  2. MartianMan

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    Using the "better than" argument is fairly narrow way of thinking.

    Maybe Yao should just become complacent about his training because at least he's "better than" 90% of other centers?
     
  3. wnes

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    I am sure slant-eyed Suzies are hotties.
     
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    but the reason the Denny's case drew national attention because it was a conspiracy by a large organization. maybe I don't understand the seriousness of what's going on in this article or the widespread nature of the problem but I will say this, bullying cases have caught attention in the national media because overall, bullying in school has become much more violent.
     
  5. Mr. Clutch

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    Whining about everything and portraying yourself as a victim is a fairly narrow way of thinking. Should Yao just blame everything on the refs because they make bad calls?

    I wasn't using the "better than" argument, just showing why immigrants may focus on the positive rather than always on the nagative.
     
  6. pirc1

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    Like everything, truth is most likely some where in between the two extremes.
     
  7. Invisible Fan

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    Why do you think Immigrant Chinese kids are an easier target if New York is an immigrant hot spot?

    Is it that simple? Most of those kids live in the same area. That's only assuming that they go to school to learn....

    I only "blamed the media" because it's the same thing coming out of the airwaves. It's so prevalent and inherent that for some reason immigrant Chinese kids are an easy target...wait I mean, wimpy, nerdy, non-social kids. Wow, they all do look alike.

    If you really think only Chinese activists are b****ing small cases while every other race has had similar beatings, that's your preogative. Ideally all races should be looking at this with scrutiny, instead of their own. I haven't seen many Asians at Black or Hispanic rallies. I can't blame that entirely on the media.
     
  8. MartianMan

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    I'm not saying crying foul is the right way to go. I'm saying that the "better than" argument is not a valid critique of any situation.
     
  9. Sishir Chang

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    Immigrants should focus on both. I think it would be foolish to believe that racism and discrimination doesn't exist that's part of what is causing all of the problems in France right now because they just pretended that by saying that they are a colorblind society that people actually behave in that way. So yes immigrants and minorities should do all they can on their own to succeed at the same time but there are instances where doing all that you can isn't going to get you that far when prejudices exist.

    Racism isn't rational or make economic sense so it not enough to just say that if you work hard and show you can contribute that all doors will be opened to you.
     
  10. Sishir Chang

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    This is something that has bothered me too about many Asians and I think it is part of the negative fallout of the Model Minority stereotype where Asians forget just how much a debt they owe to other minorities. Civil rights weren't handed to Asians because white America thought they were the good coloreds it was granted because other minorities fought for them.

    As I've said before that most people now forget that prior to the 1960's the stereotype of Asians wasn't as studious, hardworking quiet people but as dirty lazy and decadent. Just look at the cartoons of Asians from the first half of the 20th C. and you never see an Asian depicted as a nerd but as a bucktooth guy running an opium den.

    The more Asians recognize that the less friction there will be between the races.
     
  11. Luckyazn

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    Why do African-Americans complaing about everything and want everything handed to them or they'll complain or call up Jessie Jackson or something
     
  12. AMS

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    i asked uprising for the examples because i wanted specific incident examples knowing he lived there...

    and thats pretty ignorant posting about dubais camel jokey issue in a post about saudi... they are seperate countries, you realize that right..
     
  13. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    That's not racist. :rolleyes:
     
  14. MadMax

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    yikes...i'm just a white dude (Irish, in fact, so i'm not even sure if I'm sober), but that's a pretty strong generalization, isn't it? isn't that what we're all seeking to avoid???
     
  15. geeimsobored

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    Sorry my priveleged friend. Not everyone grows up with everything you and I got. Surprise Surprise, but there are people out there who still grow up in dirt poverty where drugs and violence are everyday facts of life. I worked at a housing project for a little while and believe me if I had to live there, I'd be complaining as well.

    So please don't pretend the world is equal and because you have nothing to complain about, that no one else should be either.
     
  16. mulletman

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    if you actually bothered to read the human rights watch link, its full of specific examples that youre looking for

    and if you actually read the bbc link, you would have seen that it specifically mentions that this is an issue all across the all the gulf countries, not just dubai.
     
  17. AMS

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    I dont think you understand, i wanted examples that UPRISING faced, not some 3rd word bangladeshi or philipino trash pickup guy...

    :rolleyes:

    the second article mentions it without any proof or any backing... seems that he just threw in the other gulf countries as it would be fun to tag them along with UAE's problem...
     
  18. Mr. Clutch

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    Well, from my own experience, my parents immigrated from Mexico and they never had to play the victim card and neither have I or anyone in my family.

    Yes, racism definitely exists but in today's society working hard is more important in my opinion. Back when minorities were denied rights, that was a different story of course.
     
  19. Mr. Clutch

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    The Rockets are "better than" the Sacramento Kings. So I think they will finish higher in the standings.
     
  20. MartianMan

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    lol. Alright. I should've added some qualifiers to my statement but I think you know what I mean.
     

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