Could people imagine the outcry if this was done to African Americans?

I disagree. As an Asian, yes we do get screwed by the system but don't kid yourself that color-blind admission policies are somehow the answer. I think an admission policy based on socio-economic conditions rather than strictly race would probably be much more equitable. Understand though that there are underrepresented minorities who are really denied a lot of opportunites.

Here's an example. When I was in high school, there were two kids that I knew from an urban school in Kansas City with an 85% drop out rate. The school is a dump with teachers who don't care, administrators that are corrupt and system of classes that do virtually nothing to prepare students for the future. Yet despite all that they graduated and now go to Yale. They grew up in projects with gun shots and drug dealers. Yet because their school is awful and don't have the large AP scores or access to all of the SAT prep, they are blown off by the system. They got in and I didn't despite the fact that I had a 1500+ SAT, 5s on APs, good GPA, etc.. Their hardship in my opinion warrants their admission and I can firmly say they are just as smart as me despite the fact I had access to so much more than they did.

As for white people.. they have their own affirmative action. Its called legacy admissions based on their past family donations and representations at certain colleges.

 

I agree. Affirmative action should be determined by socio-economic factors as opposed to race. Who here thinks Oprah's kids are going to have less opportunities than an white kid from the gheto? Only color that discriminates is the color green.

One sad fact of affirmative actions is that a lot of the spots that colleges "reserve" for blacks is given to Africans rather than African Americans. That seems to defeat the whole purpose of affirmative action, but maybe that's just me.

 

LOL, wnes. They'd give you this look:

Then you'd really get hammered.

 

This is sad...For the most part, all kids want to do is fit in and if they are viewed as smarter or different, some bad apples take offense and do their best to intimidate them...

I agree with the title of the thread as as you could put any ethnic background from America and there would be such an outcry of discrimination...Very sad...

 

While there may be some complex sociological theory that helps explain what is going on here, I think the reason is much simpler. Immigrant Chinese kids are just an easier target. I don't like the idea of blaming "the man" and the "white media" for the actions that people should be held responsible for. These kids should be expelled, they shouldn't be given excuses for.

Is anyone else outraged that there is no mention of kids getting disciplined or expelled? That would solve the problem pretty quickly, I think. Instead of focusing on myths and such, just expell a few kids and the rest will fall in line.

 

I don't recall the Asian experience in America being set behind by 300 years by bondage, forced breeding like animals, destruction of the family unit, destruction of language and communication, and prevention of any means of education. I would say it's a little bit different.

 

I think Asian Americans, particularly the Chinese Americans themselves have a lot to be blamed. Most Chinese immigrants don't care much about American politics in their newly adopted country, all they are concerned with are the economic situations affecting their own families. They don't participate actively in community services outside their own culture. They won't stick their necks out for a worthy cause. They don't involve in politics. Many never even bother to vote. They are self-sufficient but also selfish. Needless to say the most probable cause of all these is deeply rooted in the long-held Confucianism.

I had a firsthand experience where I was ashamed about my own people. Over couple of years back, a local community newspaper reported a story where a developer about to be hired by the city council openly remarked very blatant discriminatory comments against Chinese business owners in planning an underdeveloped area near our downtown. I don't remember his exact statement, but it was something like "I know the Chinese are shrewd businessmen, you never get a good deal from bargaining with them. So I propose not to lend any land/property to the Chinese."

Of course the local Chinese were outraged, however not surprisingly, the two major newspapers in the local area did not bother to pick up the story. Several local Chinese organizations filed petition to the city council, demanding an apology and asking the city not to hire the said developer. All good.

Not really associated with any of these organizations, I actually went to the hearing at the city hall to lend my support. The Mayor (the most vote getter among all the city councils in an election) was dubiously absent, so instead the Vice Mayor chaired the hearing. I had thought the meeting was held specifically for the Chinese discrimination, but a few non-Chinese, mostly blacks, also filled in the room to make speeches for their cases. I observed, with curiosity, that the most Chinese seemed uninterested or indifferent to what the few non-Chinese had to complaint about their grieves, although I would say the topics were virtually variations on the same theme - practices that were discriminatory against certain classes/ethnicities. At the end of a speech, the Chinese audiences would give applauses to their representative, but when it happened to be a non-Chinese speaker, you didn't see a reaction from the Chinese. On the other hand, the black speakers would also mention the said discrimination against the Chinese and expressed their sympathies and support to the Chinese *hall-mates*. I felt utterly embarrassed. Even when the Chinese did stand up, occasionally, to fight against racism and discrimination, they could care less about the other minorities and underclass citizens who were suffering the similar unjust fate at the same time.

The aloofness, self-absorption, and obtuseness are humiliating and shameful.

 

LOL - sorry, everybody, blacks have a monopoly on complaining about discrimination and hardship. Chinese-Americans, please complain about something else!

Sincerely,
P. Gabriel

 

I only wish I wasn't Chinese, or I would have said exactly what you just said. Must be the Cultural thing to not wanna stand out

Uh can we complain about the plight of illegal Asian immigrants in this country or do Mexicans have a monopoky on that?

 

LOL. Look no further - ask how George got into Yale.

 

I never said that dumbass. I'm saying there is a reason people blacks and others make a big deal out of discrimination against blacks. There is a historical context. I never said that no one should complain about discrimination against their group.

and my point about this article specifically is that you are comparing what is essentially bullying to the prejudices blacks have faced in this country historically.

And another thing, does the threadstarter really feel that every thing that happens to blacks gets news. I really don't even understand the point of this thread.

 

I don't recall the author of the post comparing the prejudices that blacks face vs. asians. He's merely comparing the reactions. You seem to be the only one bringing up slavery.

 

Maybe it's a good think that the Chinese aren't so ready to raise the victim flag at every real or perceived injustice. Especially in today's society, where "the white man" doesn't hold you down anymore and there is so much opportunity.

 

This situation, yes I don't understand why you feel it should be receiving more coverage. From my understanding it is some isolated incidents of bullying. Yes they may be racially motivated but its not the same as discrimination cases that make usually make the news.

I would ask you two things, do you feel like the subjects in the article would get more coverage if these kids were black being bullied by whites.

and secondly, what cases of discrimination that have gotten national coverage recently about blacks, would you compare this two. would you compare this the class action law suits against Denny's and Cracker Barrell restaurants? What case like this that involved blacks would you say got attention, because I personally feel this wouldn't get much attention no matter who was involved.

 

When there were physical harms resulted, the seriousness of the nature escalated. I think it's disingenuous to compare being refused serving in the Denny's to getting beat up. Or if you were to find the frequencies of which Blacks are denied services in restaurants and Asian/Chinese kids are assaulted by the peers, I highly doubt the former would exceed the latter. On the contrary, I think it's the other way around, disproportionally.

 

Not a good thinking. Chinese are fair game.