Could Motiejunas and Jones both move out of the rotation?

Basketballholic, didn't you think the stretch 4 ability of Ilysova would be better served on the rockets? Yet, dude is sooting 27% from 3 and avg 9ppg on the worse team in nba.

 

Wow you somehow managed to pull out the most damning comment of them all. He'd rather have Garcia Brewer playing those minutes. Damn..

 

I'm right here. Terrence Jones had a sensational game last night against the Bucks. Just finished watching it. I had another event I had to attend and missed the game. Loved the play where he blocked the shot, dribbled it up and finished. Great play.

I'm not anti-TJones, contrary to what you think.

However, my feelings haven't changed about our big man rotation or about Terrence Jones just because of one scintillating game against the worst team in the league. Just keeping it real.

 

1 game

 

I did think the stretch 4 ability of Ilyasova along with his rebounding instinct and veteran defensive savvy (he's a very underrated defender) would help this team immensely.


By the way...... I.STILL.THINK.THAT!

The season is not a one-game season. Playoff series are 7 game series...not one game. It's not a tournament where you play the worst team up to the best team.

By the way.....keep this thread alive so I don't have to. Keep updating it.

 

One game...??? Jones has had his ups and downs but he's been pretty much one of our most consistent and solid player all year.

 

Remii agreed 100 pimpn. Jones has been very consistent this season so far.

 

I'm not going to sit here again and pick apart Jones' game......again and again for you.

My contention remains this team is not a championship team until we upgrade the big man rotation. While Jones is getting a lot of run and a lot of opportunity, he's simply not good enough to help us win a title. He should be the 4th big in a championship team, possibly stealing minutes from the 3rd big if the 3rd big gets dinged or slumps.

Look around at the other teams that can possibly win a championship this season.

Here's what is very clear to me: One of Miami, Indiana, OKC, or San Antonio is going to win the championship this year unless something happens that drastically alters the course of this season for those teams. And in my humble opinion I think it comes down to Miami or Indiana right now. I don't think any team in the WC can beat either of those teams in a 7-game series right now. I watch a ton of basketball fellas, a ton. I am convinced that unless something changes drastically whomever wins the EC Finals war that is going to be epic to watch, that team that comes out of that war still standing is going to win the title.

So for us to win a ring we've got to be good enough to get past the Thunder and/or Spurs and then we've got to be able to match up with whichever of those teams comes out of the East. Now, somebody is going to point out that we've pistol-whipped the Spurs twice with Jones in the starting lineup. LOL. Go ahead and enjoy yourself there. I will counter with....we can't beat the Thunder with Westbrook injured and us shooting lights out basketball. All you gotta do to see what is going to happen to us in the playoffs is go back to the second half of the Thunder game. When championship contending teams decide to puts the clamps on defensively the game arcs into an entirely different game. You've got to be able to counter offensively on that level. We ARE NOT capable of countering on that level OFFENSIVELY with Jones in the lineup. That is all I'm going to say about it. You can keep staring at video of Jones tearing a hole in Milwaukee and con yourself into believing he makes us a championship team all the while setting yourself up for a huge playoff fail. Because that's what is coming down the line for us if we remain as is.

Where would TJones be at in the rotation for Miami or Indiana?? The truthful answer is he would riding the pine in both places. He simply wouldn't be able to crack the rotation in Indiana and he'd be getting scrap minutes in Miami. If you don't believe that and can't accept it I don't know what to say to you.

While last night's game was a great game and I enjoyed watching it and I enjoyed Jones' performance....there was nothing in that game that caused me to think differently about the above. Sorry guys. Keep beating on me, calling me stupid in your feedback, etc. LOL. I don't care. I ain't going nowhere.

 

Jones also was 21pts/14boards +3blks vs. Tim Duncan and the Spurs. He is a young player (just 22) so working on his consistency is important but it seems he is towards the top of the bell curve related to what we could expect from TJ. For some it's difficult to let go of an initial concept when the alternative proves far better than expected. Generally speaking your argument is our position of need is the 4 but clearly the degree of need at the 4 is diminishing.

 

I agree with basketballholic,yes Jones is a good player who can become an All-star,but he can't shoot and that's a big problem when the playoffs arrive,Because THE DEFENSE GETs TIGHTER AND TIGHTER, THE FURTHER YOU GO WE NEED PLAYERS WHO CAN SCORE.

And Jones does not fit the bill (yet),it would be trash twin towers 2.0,though Jones is a better finisher at the rim than Asik.

 

I would agree with your statement that I bolded above. I do think he's near the top of the bell curve of my expectations for him.

But notice that's all about him. My bell curve expectations for this team are much higher than where I perceive we are at today. I think there needs to be a serious adjustment to the big man rotation for this team to get to the top of my expectation bell curve for it.

 

I would believe you if you said KEVIN LOVE OR LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE but ILYASOVA??????

Guy's career best numbers are 13 ppg and 7 boards.

Jones is averaging 12 ppg and close to 8 boards and getting better. LOL

 

No doubt about him not having an outside shot, and having to come up against tighter defenses, but we are not likely to get a real big name 4 instead of him.

Let's be patient, he is no longer just getting garbage baskets. His post game is growing and so is his confidence level. His shooting will take time. He needs to develop his outside shot in the offseason and keeping on improving his defense, post up game and free throws.

It won't be trash twin towers, if Harden and Lin run the pick and role with Dwight and post him up. Jones and hopefully D-Mo will continue to improve.

 

For Jones' jumper to improve substantially he is going to have to spend an entire summer dedicated to working on it. Kinda like Jeremy Lin did this last summer. You know.....one to three thousand shots a day with a shooting coach helping him shoot all those shots with the correct mechanics to create the proper muscle memory. Does Jones have the talent to be able to do that? Yes Could he do that? Yes. Does Jones have the drive to do that? Questionable. Will he do that? He hasn't done it for the last 3 summers.

 

Of course he can regress.... that is a possibility but if Basketballholic or some other guys can't see the enornous potential there and his shooting will get better. His shot looks ok.
Can't help you guys.

You pay him 2 million, and he is cheap and can develop into a poor man's Love.
You have him for two more years of a cheap contract.

He is playing like he is paid 8+ million a year.

 

Do you understand what potential is?

The NBA is chock full of players with ........ potential. NBA players are the greatest athletes on the planet. Potential is a very overused, broad-based applied term in the NBA. Of course Jones has potential as does DMo.

You are back to the same old tired argument about developing players. Morey told us all very clearly at the beginning of the season that we were no longer in development mode. IF we develop a player it will be incidental to the development of a championship team. But IF Morey can trade "potential" for championship caliber player he will do that. Because our primary goal right now is to win a championship, not develop players.

 

TJ bulks up during the summer, improves his post moves, defense, shot blocking, learning where to be on certain defensive schemes but doesn't improve his shooting...CONCLUSION: he doesn't work hard

 

bongman reads basketballholic's post while smoking bong. CONCLUSION: SMOKE and dreamy illusions.


Didn't say he didn't work hard bongman. What I said and have said multiple times is he has not worked hard on his jumper for the last 3 seasons at least because there has been zero improvement in it. By the way, I said that when he was shooting 40% on the 3-ball early in the season too. I didn't say that based on looking at his box score. I said that based on looking at his jumper. I knew his 3-point shooting would come crashing back to earth...because those mechanics cannot produce even a 35% 3-point shot.

Keep smoking.

 

I used to question his drive, and didn't think he was athletic enough. He is playing with determination and confidence in most games. He has clearly put in hard work. I am hopeful that he can develop a decent outside shot, in time.

I would like to see him play better against the teams he has struggled against on the defensive end for now, instead of overlying on his blocked shots.

 

There are only a handful sophomores that can score 40 points without dominating the ball. Even less. Lol

One dozen or two dozens guys in the NBA that can score 40 points. He is in company with stars, allstars and superstars.

I'll take that. Lolz. And he has been winning everywhere he went.

Kentucky championship, Dleague championship and Dleague Allstars.

Keep on doubting, lolz.
Good luck chasing 15+ million players like Love and Aldridge. They are so easy to get. Lol. Terrence is a perfect backup to them and in the meanwhile a superstarter. Paid 1.8 million.... let that ring in your ears 1.8 million???! Roughly more than Garcia, Casspi salary