Could Motiejunas and Jones both move out of the rotation?

Basketballholic,how is derrick williams plaing in Sac-Town? Lol

 

When was the last time we won a championship leebigez?

What were our shooting percentages on those championship teams leebigez?

What is our record this year against team with better than .500 records?



You're looking at the development of an individual player. And I'm looking at the development of a championship team.

All you guys that claim this is a "development" year and we aren't going to win a championship anyways.....I say....what kind of fans are you anyways????

Look, the second Dwight signed his contract this team became a team pushing for a championship. We are now in championship mode. That's this year fellas. But unfortunately we are lacking some pieces and won't get there without making some trades. And Morey knows that. But if the trades are there to be made he's going to make them. And if they aren't there...well he might just take a step back and unload a couple contracts so we can chase a maximum free agent this summer.

This thread is about whether or not Jones and DMo are rotation players. Here's the answer: They are rotation players on a non-championship contending team. But they are not rotation players on a team that is truly in contention for a championship. Terrence Jones would be at best the 9th man on Miami's team. Put him on OKC's team and he'd the 10th man....and may be able to shave a few minutes away from Perkins....maybe. Put him on the Spurs and he's once again the 10th man. How about the Pacers? Once again 10th man at best.

My point remains Jones and DMo are not rotation players on a championship team and we are trying to win a championship this year.

Now...Jones may play out the string at the 4 for us this year. But if that happens it will be because Morey simply could not get a deal done for anybody better without jeopardizing our ongoing championship aspirations. It won't be because Jones is playing so great. Guys, Boston's record speaks for who they are. A lottery team is a lottery team is a lottery team. When you are going to look at game statistics (especially this season) you have to factor that into your analysis.

While you are staring at a couple double-digit numbers on Terrence Jones boxscore against a lottery team you should be remembering what Indiana did to Jones alongside Dwight. You should remember Dallas and what they did to Jones and Dwight. You should go back to the 12 games we have played against teams with records over .500, where we won 5 and lost 7 and see what kind of numbers Jones put up in those contests and what kind of numbers the opposing bigs in combination put up against our bigs.

Jones and DMo are not rotation players on a true championship contending team.

 

No, Jones won't get better.

Most players tend to make a "stride" in their third season in the NBA, but that won't happen for Jones, so we need to ditch him now.

 

I'm the kind of fans who is 42 and have been watching the rockets since 1978. I'm the kind of fan who saw the promise of Sam I Am,but understood Dream and Clyde only had 3 or 4 yrs so they made the barkley trade. I'm the kind of fan and student of the game who understands a lot of times,you get better because your young players get better. You gonna try to tell me Jones isn't a player on a championship contender, yet tiago splitter,mario chalmer,and george hill are starters. You know why Indy has been better this yr? Lance Stephenson who leads the league in triple doubles. They've gotten better because of young player development. You remember chandler parson as a rookie? I do. If parson hadn't developed into a do it all sf, I doubt Howard signs here. If casspi or buddinger were the sf,Howard wouldn't be here. Howard has said many times its about the long term contendability is the reason he signed.

I'm not bringing Donuts up in this,but if jones shows the same upward progress next season as he did this year,then we're talking about the 4th or 5th option who doesn't get plays avg 14ppg 10rebs and almost 2 blks. Again,we're talking a 22 yr big with sf ballhandling giving that kind of production. Oh yeah,he made some jump hooks on the blocks vs Nene who is a very good post defender.jones at 22 is better than hawes,milsap,illosove,and anderson at the same age. He is and will get better. This team would be closer to contention with rondo vs those guys you want at pf.

 

Agree with most everything except I'm not 42, I don't think Jones has the ball handling of a SF (he's good for a PF, but not quite SF level), and I think Millsap was better at 22.

 

There is a guy on the Rockets that just turned 22 days ago. He is averaging 13 points, 10.6 rebounds, and 1.9 blocks per game on 51% shooting over the last 10 games. He is doing all of this with a broken jumpshot. This guy can't buy a jumper right now and has gone 0-12 from 3 point land over much of this same time frame. This is the same guy that people said was on a hot 3 point shooting streak and when the 3 pointers stopped dropping, he would cease to be effective. They said that the league would figure him out and he would stop putting up numbers. I said you can't stop what he does because he rebounds, blocks shots and gets shots at the rim by running hard on the break and playing off of his teammates in the halfcourt by sliding into open spaces.

So it makes me wonder, why so much disdain for a guy putting up numbers at a spot that has been a position of need for years? A guy putting up numbers we haven't seen the likes of from that positon in a vey long time. I'm talking points, rebounds, and blocks as the criteria by the way. Points and rebounds would allow us to mention Luis Scola and nobody else from recent memory because none of the others produced double doubles like this young guy has.

He may only be a summer of working on his jumpshot from being a very very good player. If he can put up numbers like this with no jumper... You don't trade that unless you get an All Star back in return and in that case, tell me which All Stars are available right now because I haven't heard of any.

Keep this guy, help him develop a consitent jumpshot and a post move and watch out. He is dominating games on talent alone right now. Add some skill to that.
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6597/terrence-jones

 

To who ever responded via the add reputation feature, Millsap was the more efficient scorer (He shot a ton of FTs due to be very aggressive around the rim back then), better rebounder (NBA was a lot different back then, less threes were attempted so there were less rebounds to go around, but Millsap came into the league as a monster on offensive glass), and better on the ball defender. Jones being the better help defender. I don't care if his minutes were limited by Boozer and that Utah was a much slower team than current Rockets.

This is not meant to be me putting Jones down. I like what Millsap does a lot. I like what Jones is doing. I just like Millsap at 22 a little bit better.

 

Jones has a lot of upside and I am excited to see him play but he is very bad right now with his defensive rotations. Probably going to take him another year or so to understand where he needs to be and how to rotate. People like to blame Harden for most of it, but Jones is just as much a culprit. He gets worked over by better more experienced fours like Milsap, Aldridge, etc. It is a MAJOR weakness right now for the Rockets. I almost wish we could get Hayes back to fill that weakness as a stop gap.

The thing with Jones is he is the elephant in the room with regard to the 2015 plan. In order for that plan to work, for a max cat, we would need to dump him with Dmo and our next two first rounders. Dmo and the first rounders are no big deal but Jones is too good to dump. If he keeps improving, he could be the long term piece and we might have to settle for a Rondo or Dragic with our cap space, rather than a Love or Aldridge.

Should be interesting to see how it plays out. More likely than not I think that Jones is a the piece that is dangled in trades (not Parsons!) before the 2015 free agency period.

 

Another max contract will cost the rockets parsons. Now,I'm not saying don't do it,I'm jujst saying people are thinking another star type player,but aside from miami,who has 3 max guys? If lilliard keeps playing the way he's playing,portland will 2.5 max guys. This whole 2015 is a wet dream because howard took the max amout for the most part. I know he found parsons in the 2nd,but he also blew morris and white also. Parson is very,very,very important to this team and he's gonna cost 10m at least. Similar to the Spurs and their longevity, duncan made max,parker made 12m,and manu made 10 ish. That allowed them to pay other players and have depth. Id prefer that model than to try to get another max and lose parsons

 

Just give us credit will you? Tjones as a starter in his second year after hardly playing in his first year. He and Jeremy Lamb beat out Royce White, Robinson and Motiejunas who are said to have more talent.

Jeremy Lamb is a bench guy and Jones is a starter. That should tell you all.

 

I think Jones is doing very good for a second year player that didn't play much his first year. He really doesn't have an outside shot and sometimes his D isn't the greatest but young players need time to develop.

 

Does Miami have 3 players on the actual max?

 

I think Basketballholic should address the FO and Morey with that. You have to ask them what direction the team is heading and which players they are going to go for.

This has to little to do with developing players because every team develops players and has growing pains because of them. Even the Heat.
Piling on the youngest player for not being able to compete for the No. 1 seed as a whole team is unfair.

 

Not "piling on" the poor widdle youngest player. Once again, it's about the team. We need 2 championship caliber bigs to play alongside Dwight that we don't currently have (or at least aren't playing in Asik's case). We need a big that can control the defensive paint and protect the rim when Dwight takes a seat. And we need another legit 4 that can spread the floor and D up opposing power forwards effectively. Jones is neither guy.

 

I like Millsap better as well, but the Sloan system pretty much catered to PFs and PGs.

 

Let me put it this way. You are asking too much.

We have a GM that tends to lowball players and hand out poison pill contracts which are hard to shed. He is pretty good but can't do it all.
He has a history of moving players without flinching but tends to acquire busty players as well in that process.

Houston is still a market behind the LA teams, New York, Brooklyn, Chicago.
A second tier Free agent target even with no income tax.

We have an owner who is saying all the right things but keen on making more money. He is no Cuban who is all about winning Now.

We have a coach who plays his players, runs a system of read and react and no game plans because he trusts players to make their own decisions.

You gotta have more patience.

 

I'm not asking anything. I'm saying what this team needs. I'm sure Morey already knows it and is doing his best to make it happen.

 

I don't believe that Daryl Morey is a big fan of Jones.

 

He isn't. Because Jones is a JAP. That is...just another player.

 

In your signature : A lot of treading waters type of players.
Couple of names that might be interesting but a lot of 'just another player'types.