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Could Motiejunas and Jones both move out of the rotation?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by CXbby, Oct 17, 2013.

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Who's in?

Poll closed Nov 16, 2013.
  1. Neither Dmo/Jones - We are contenders - No Babies Allowed

    22.2%
  2. 1 out of Dmo or Jones - Still room to grow

    58.9%
  3. Both Dmo and Jones - I just want to watch the world burn

    18.9%
  1. basketballholic

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    There is no championship this year as long as we are running Jones out there.

    This team needs two more bigs if Omer isn't going to play. We need a definitive back up 5 that can defend and rebound effectively when Dwight is off the floor. And we need a starting power forward that can contribute spacing, shooting, finishing, and effective defense to our starting lineup.
     
  2. basketballholic

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    Garcia and Casspi are struggling. Do you know why?

    Brewer can't shoot and can't do anything about it.




    Guys it's pretty simple. Garcia and Casspi aren't getting enough space to shoot. It's a lot easier to cover them with Jones in the game. Jones can't shoot, he knows he can't shoot, the defense knows he can't shoot and so they play off him and up on Garcia/Casspi. Jones catches sms drives the ball into the D, chewed up shot clock and then the shooters are left with a challenged shot.
     
  3. DrNuegebauer

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    Jones was pretty big for us down the stretch today.

    Lets wait for basketballholic to spin it for us so that we realize he was holding us back somehow abd contributed nothing positive and only negatives. ..
     
  4. daywalker02

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    that is how you spin it. Your way.

    Tell me when you decide to think positively about him because everything sounds negative with you.
     
  5. Rip Van Rocket

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    Championship? I've always thought a Championship this year is a long long shot. This team is only partially built. Morey has a lot of work to do before we can really consider this team a championship contender.

    All teams have strengths and weaknesses, even championship teams. The PF position is a weakness for the Rockets, but it's getting stronger thanks to TJones. I think TJones is getting better and better as the year progresses, and I'm really pleased with the way he has played. For a guy that just turned 22 yrs old he's showing a lot of potential.

    I view this year as a building year for the Rockets, not really a year to make a run at a championship. Tjones is not the ideal stretch four that McHale and Morey would like, but he does contribute when he is on the floor. Morey needs to find several more pieces before we can really be contenders, and it's going to take more than just an upgrade at PF. Jones can't shoot the three right now, but maybe in a year or two he will improve. This is not a make or break year for the Rockets. This is a year to build and improve for the future. I'm sure Morey is looking to upgrade the PF position if possible, but for now Jones is improving and is looking pretty good in my opinion.

    You say you want a PF that can provide spacing, good shooting, is a good finisher, and plays good defense. That sounds like a star player to me. Those guys are hard to acquire, but I'm sure Morey is trying. In the meantime I'm enjoying watching TJones improve.
     
  6. daywalker02

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    17 boards against the Wizards, most of them in the 4th and folks were still mad at him not rebounding.
     
  7. mfastx

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    I would also like an upgrade at the 4 and bench, but Jones is by far the best PF on the team currently.

    Morey knows the areas of need and will make trades at the deadline.
     
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    a championship in any year is a long shot.

    Once again this is not a team any longer to spend 2-4 years developing players at a spot where we don't have any other developed players. We are trying to win rings...and that includes this season.
     
  9. dobro1229

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    ……umm……No
     
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    Looks nice in the box. But it's really meaningless over the course of a season. This was a garbage game tonight. Wizards are a lottery special. You can't take one game where he goes 7 for 14 basically all at the rim with the exception of 1 3-point shot and he gets 17 boards and say we've got ourselves a bonafide player here. This season has shown what Terrence Jones. Look at who he was matched up with tonight...what opposing PF and what team. Now go back and look at the balance of the games. No rational evaluator of NBA talent is going to say TJones broke out. He's just a garbage man that played in a garbage game tonight.
     
  11. leebigez

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    As stated before,you're wrong and can't really admit it. You should do like cxbby and bow out the thread. Its partially r****ded to think a team who best players are 27,24,and 24 can't or don't have time to develop a 22 yr old who is productive with 20 starts. I guess lakers didn't have time for byron scott or the rockets robert horry or sam cassell. Yet, the guys you want would put the team no closer because the rockets have a bigger hole at pg and on the bench as well. Jones is fine and you disappear after games like this.
     
  12. basketballholic

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    We have time to develop Jones right now simply because we have no one else. But this team is not a championship contender as long as we are running him out there. He's simply not good enough to be playing 30 minutes on a championship contender.
     
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    Don't think he's saying everything about TJones is bad. The way I read it, if you're going to play the style the Rockets use, TJones can't be your starting PF....I agree with that.

    He's a good player. I like his dribble-drive game, and his weak side defense. Unfortunately, in this offense, dribble-drive from your PF is a luxury, not a necessity. Shooting is absolutely necessary. Also, with Howard, we already have elite weak side help....what we need is a good on ball defender, which TJones is not at this point.

    TJones would be great off the bench with a guy like Spencer Hawes.

    For this offense and defense, Love is the guy you want. Elite shooter, passer, and defensive rebounder to go with good on ball post defense. Unfortunatly, we may have to wait until 2015 to get him.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    I agree, but I think he is only 21, right?

    DD
     
  15. dobro1229

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    Just turned 22 yesterday or the day before.
     
  16. DaDakota

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    Well spank me naked !

    Next thing you will tell me Dmo is 23...SHEESH !

    DD
     
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    So because it's the Wizards he is a lowly garbage man?
    Then the 7 rebounds of Dwight made him an even lower garbage man that game.
     
  18. dobro1229

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    The Rockets championship runs with Horry and Cassell are the ultimate examples of why Basketballhollic needs to just shut his trap about his campaign against Terrence Jones.

    Look, the Rockets tried (and if not for a failed physical would have got him) to trade Robert Horry for an upgrade at the SF position with Sean Elliot. However that doesn't mean that Horry wasn't an important part of their championship run and that he didn't contribute to wins.

    I also remember hearing something back in 2007 about the Celtics wanting to upgrade Rondo for someone like Chauncey Billups…. does that mean that Rondo wasn't important and didn't contribute… no.

    Same goes for Jones here in Houston right now. THE ROCKETS TRIED TO TRADE FOR MILLSAP and weren't successful… Still…. does that not mean that Jones won't contribute, and couldn't develop into an even better fit than someone that helps them win even more longterm???… NO.

    All this b****ing and moaning about Jones is just plain stupid…. OF COURSE the Rockets will try to upgrade, but that doesn't mean that they can't in the meantime work with Jones to improve and motivate him to perform consistently the way he performed tonight in DC. If they can get that consistently out of him, and improve his jumpshot even just slightly, HE WILL BE better for this team long term than a short term upgrade, and will allow the Rockets the financial flexibility to upgrade other positions of need.

    Why anyone is DUMB enough to openly root against Terrence Jones, or D-Mo for that matter to fail is beyond me. Its against the Rockets best interest and therefore sort of makes you a bad fan for wanting to be right so bad about your predictions in August that you openly root for something negative to happen with the team you claim to root for. Its embarrassing to have that be part of this community.
     
  19. daywalker02

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    I don't mind Jones off the bench..... there is no bench right now.

    IMO Love is not an option unless he declares the Rockets his No.1 destination and LA is not a target for him. I doubt it strongly.
     
  20. dobro1229

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    Too old…. go back to Europe.

    Seriously though…. why in the world would the Rockets feel the need to trade him now when they are taking the steps to "develop" someone like Robert Covington (who by the way is 23 as well) and not continue to develop someone that still has 2 to 3 more years guaranteed on a good rookie contract, and happens to have the size and skill level to be one of the most sought after players you can have on an NBA squad which is a skilled 7 footer with a wicked low post game.

    (Also Canaan is 22 and is still considered a prospect to be developed. Why a PG & a SF NEED to be developed, but a 7 footer the same age who obviously hasn't even matured physically yet doesn't need to be developed and needs to be traded NOW is beyond me)

    The only reason the Rockets have to trading D-Mo right now is either cause they have given hope on him developing ever enough to contribute (which I doubt) or that they don't have the backbone to stand up to him and his agent and tell him tough luck… you can stay here with a team that believes in you and develop into one of the better bigs in the league, or you can be traded to a team that might cut you in 2 weeks….

    Trading D-Mo right now is stupid unless you need him and his salary for a bigger deal.

    Anyways… sorry about the D-Mo rant. Back to bashing Jones.
     

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