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Could Motiejunas and Jones both move out of the rotation?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by CXbby, Oct 17, 2013.

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Who's in?

Poll closed Nov 16, 2013.
  1. Neither Dmo/Jones - We are contenders - No Babies Allowed

    22.2%
  2. 1 out of Dmo or Jones - Still room to grow

    58.9%
  3. Both Dmo and Jones - I just want to watch the world burn

    18.9%
  1. CXbby

    CXbby Member

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    As a fan of the HOUSTON ROCKETS, I have no obligation to root for or support any individuals other than those who contribute to the success of the Houston Rockets.

    If you are hurting the Houston Rockets, I have every right to critique you, and support the coach's(who is himself a member of the Houston Rockets) decision to bench your ass.

    Show me something first before you EARN my support.

    Show me anything. Show me you aren't the best player on the opposing team.

    That is not too much to ask.
     
  2. dobro1229

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    By the way, when I originally wrote that, that wasn't directed at you. I would say you definitely dont like any of their PF options, but that doesn't mean that you wouldn't love it if one of them turned into "A lesser Howard" or "the next Dirk". Not doubting that at all.

    However, there are some on here that pick favorites at some point, and want player X to be good and player Y to be bad because they dont want to be wrong. It goes back ages from those who trashed Lowry when he beat out AB, to those who hated Battier and wanted him gone ASAP because he stood in the way of T-Will.... and I'm not going to open a bag of worms to talk about another certain PG that might or might not have another player that folks root against just because he stands in the way of "their guy".
     
  3. CXbby

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    I was one of the people who "trashed" Brooks and called for Lowry to start. Just like now with these PFs, it was not because I disliked Brooks personally or that I was rooting for him to fail so that I could be "right". It was just based on my objective observation as a Houston Rockets fan that, at times, he was hurting us on the court, and Lowry was clearly the better player to me.

    Exact same thing right now with Dmo/Jones vs. Casspi + the alternatives. It's just what I'm seeing. Not even talking about tonight, or preseason. This is from months ago. My views are only being confirmed with more evidence. It is nothing personal. I am a Rockets fan first. Not a CXbby fan.
     
  4. peleincubus

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    You have strong convictions about players.
     
  5. dobro1229

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    You wouldn't have the rep you have if you were a CXbby only fan. I had no problem with this thread existing... just have a problem with the posts being negative with no objective reasoning or reasonable problem solving beyond a knee jerk trade reaction for a player just as bad making 8 million a year in three years.

    I would think that you are smart enough to know that if Morey called up Hinkie tonight and offered up D-Mo/Jones/&Smith for 2nd rounders they might never receive and cash to pay their salary that this wouldn't be the best option for the team right now, and it might pay off for Morey to be more patient than the knee jerk fans.

    If they get the chance to upgrade significantly than I dont think anyone here wouldn't jump at the chance, but right now it looks like for the first few weeks of the season, the best possible outcome is that at least one of these guys turns a corner to help them win games if they are needed.... cause isn't that what we all want to see???

    If they can upgrade in the future than great, but giving them up so you can bring up an even lesser talent from the D-league, making a stupid trade that hampers the team in the future, or pulling a veteran from the retirement pool doesn't make any sense right now.
     
  6. daywalker02

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    I want to believe you. You say it is nothing personal. You are making it really hard.

    What in the name of the Lord does drive you to make threads about Player X vs. Player Y constantly and betting on those things?
    And basing this on preseason games and the smallest of sample sizes to boot.

    I would recommend you to wait until there are more data.
    Every guy is a Rocket player even if you think he sucks. If you were really a Rocket team guy as you say then give them more time and be more optimistic for your own health sake.
    You would know the only way to raise their trade value is to play them otherwise those first rounders were a waste and Morey tried hard for those picks.
    It's like throwing money out that is not yours and that should concern a ROCKET FAN.
    It is in the interest of all fans that they develop. If not, the last resort is to drop them but management gave them a third year so you will have to see them again.

    And calling other posters blind, idiotic because they see more positives or disagree is definitely not the way to go..... especially for a veteran poster like you. You are better than this I BELIEVE SO AGAIN.

    I try to make it up and try not to mention Morris in front of your posts again.
     
  7. daywalker02

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    Also I saw the PER of 24.9 by TJ. He must have done something right.
    Stats are not telling the whole truth but glad to see him not having minus numbers.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/hou/cat/PER/houston-rockets
     
  8. basketballholic

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    In the case of young players....TIME is part of the data. 2 off seasons, a season, 2 training camps....very small, incremental improvement if any at all in the key areas they needed to improve in.

    Tick

    tock

    tick

    tock
     
  9. torontoman

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    The tought of putting DMo out there for meaningful time is clearly too scary for Mchale.
    Going smallish to the point Casspi is your 5 just tells you all you need to know.
     
  10. iconoclastic

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    The rotation after 2 games has been:

    Harden
    Lin
    Parsons
    Howard
    Asik
    Casspi
    Garcia
    Beverley/Brooks
    Greg Smith

    9-man rotation.
     
  11. CXbby

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    In what world has Greg Smith been in the rotation? :confused:

    It's been the same 8 man rotation that was suggested in the OP. The second game they swapped Brooks with Beverley and Brewer came in for a few token minutes.
     
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  12. dobro1229

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    Since people can get away with making all kinds of predictions like "Future PF Robert Covington" (sorry had to :) ) I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that before the end of this road trip, one of Jones/D-Mo/Smith will see minutes in the first 3 quarters. McHale wont like doing it, but I predict that it is going to happen. I already get flamed for being too positive about the Rockets players so I might as well get flamed a little more.
     
  13. Play07

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    Casspi gave it a try, but cut off warmup early. He's out with a sprained ankle. -feigen

    you knew something lol so time to see what they going to
     
  14. CXbby

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    Look for Parsons to play close to 40 minutes tonight. Also more minutes for Brewer before any of the PFs. In the limited minutes that they do use one of the PFs(likely Dmo), hopefully he atones for last night and steps up.

    This is a big loss. Not only do we lose Casspi who has been a leader the past two games in +/-, we have to play one of the players who is likely to be a negative. Hopefully our overall talent can overcome that. Utah should be a good match up for Asik/Howard combo, at least.
     
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    I am not sure why you would get flamed for being optimistic.

    People are trashing the youngs because of PRESEASON. That is hilarious.
    NOT ACTUAL GAMES we are talking about.... but preseason.... not the games we are dying for to watch but preseason.

    TJ is actually doing an ok job. Some people are really hating (You know who you are).

    Dmo at least need half a season but is not as bad as people make him out to be. He scored pretty decent in PRESEASON but that does not matter.
     
  16. coachbadlee

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    The more they play, the better they will be.
     
  17. WinkFan

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    So a big rant about sample size....
    and then a post about someone's PER in 4 minutes.:confused:
     
  18. Easy

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    Well, McHale tried Jones and Jones couldn't show the coach he deserved to be in there. So Parsons played 42 minutes in the second of B2B.
     
  19. saintja2

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    Jones hasn't probably played much lately with the starters and is basically a rookie so I'm sure he would have been glued to the bench in the crunch time anyway.

    The good news is that he didn't embarrass himself and used his offensive possessions efficiently. Got a couple of deflections on Kanter (first one making Kanter fumble enough so Howard got the block from behind and the second that looked like it might have resulted in JAzz turnover but the call was reversed).

    I'm not so sure why he didn't get any help on the block when Favors posted him up, though. Does McHale really think he is good enough post defender for that? (Same thing with West in the preseason but these games count.)

    So I guess the garbage time cluelessness of D-Mo and Smith jumped up Jones in the pecking order after all?
    Casspi should be back anyway the next game. :)
     
  20. Hrock

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    Reading that just makes me tired. Parsons definitely enjoying his Sunday night off. Then another B2B coming up
     

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