Could Motiejunas and Jones both move out of the rotation?

If PRESSURE is getting to these guys while simply competing for rotation minutes....not good. What about all the pressure that Kawhi has faced? Danny Green? Splitter? Those boys stepped it up under pressure. That's what you want on a championship team. Not guys that struggle with the pressure of winning a rotation spot.

 

Look, I'm all for using advanced stats,but that's straight garbage when u say it determines the better player. According to you and that chart,splitter was better than tony parker,george and and slew of other all nba type players,but then I can sa deandre jordan was better than pau gasol right? Watch the games bro. Splitter was 26,played in europe and sucked bad,but they kept playing him till he at least got to decent. Not to mention,the rockets were overloaded at that same position until they made a trade or 2.

 

How did splitter step it up when his comp was dejaun blair? Not to mention that dude was 26 yrs old and sucked until he finally got decent.

 

Splitter never sucked. He's simply a defensive player first. Defensive guys are penalized coming into the NBA. They don't get the benefit of the whistle. The whistle goes against them. But once they have taken the heat their rookie year and their coach keeps running them out there and keeps working the officials and the officials have a season to look at film and see the guy is a quality defender then they come back in a year or two and all of a sudden dude is a difference maker. That's what happened with Splitter. Pops knew he was a quality defensive big and he kept working him.

Same thing happened with Asik. High foul count guy his first 2 years....explodes his 3rd season. That's the way it usually goes with high quality defensive bigs.

 

So far in the preseason, I don't think the scoring percentage (baskets or assists by Dwight) for the times they run post-ups for him is very good. A lot of times the entry pass is stolen. I would guess it is only about 35%-40%.

You can not expect a good-shooting stretch 4 alone is going to solve this problem. If Dwight doesn't improve his post play, teams aren't even going to leave the shooters open. In other words, it isn't the perfect situation to try to fit the PFs into the mold of an outside shooter.

They just need to let them do what they do best. For D-Mo that is post-ups & pick and rolls & for Jones it is dribble drives and mid-range shots.

 

Do u believe when u watch the spurs game that tiago splitter have a bigger impact on the game than parker? Yes or no answer

 

So explain how that works. You gonna put DMo on the block and put Dwight on the bench. Oh.....no no....we gonna put DMo on the block and Dwight out high. Oh....no no ... we gonna put DMo on the block and Dwight in the corner....

C'mon man. DMo is NOT going to get minutes on the block at the expense of Dwight and Asik.

(he's trade bait)

 

That's my point dwight isn't good enough for teams to say if we don't double,he'll get 30. Similar to yao ming,he has issues in terms like that. With dream and shaq type dudes,even with a double they getting 25,without a double they getting 35. That's why I'm saying its not really the time to be specializing in what the 4 guy can do.If the rockets make it to the finals somehow, there heat,bulls,nets,nor pacers are gonna double howard. So when teams don't double howard and they tilt towards harden,who will score the ball which is what its gonna come down to?

 

You ever heard of an inside triangle or high low? You can always start howard at the high post and set a half shade pick while d-mo is on the blocks if so chose. Its not hard. The lakers did it with pau and bynum.

 

D-Mo "Trade Bait".......uhhhh.... not sure I see that one.

If you had to move D-Mo right now its either going to be for a 2nd rounder or as part of a larger package.

D-Mo on the contract he has as a development projects holds more value than that to this team. They dont need his roster spot (unless you hold ridiculous value to someone like Williams, or Brooks), and he's got the ability to plug a hole eventually where its needed mostly.... which would be either at the 4 spot, or the backup 5 spot (eventually).

What I've seen from D-Mo when he's played the backup 5 this preseason leads me to believe that his career niche might best be served in that role. He's much better defensively when he's allowed to plug holes in the paint, and be more of a help side defender. He's going to foul players driving to the hole but so what... for 10 to 15 minutes a night I could care less if he averages 5 fouls.

On the offensive end, I like him as a pick and roll big. He's looked much more comfortable finishing around the rim this season despite a few early bumps in game 1.

If it looks like in the future (even PAST this year) the Rockets are maybe going to need a backup center... no way I ship D-Mo out just simply to ship him out. No way "trade-bait" is something the front office is labeling D-Mo as.

 

I've had enough discussion with you on this board and even beyond the disagreements,I don't think you're stupid or don't know what to look for. My thing is when posters try to use stats to make your eyes lie. I don't care how many minutes they play together or don't play together,there are no stats in the world that tells you splitter impacts the game as much as parker. Just like stats can't tell you that deandre jordan impacts the game as much as pau,george,or some of the other guys who he is rated higher than on that list.

 

LOL


Just a couple points here.

1. DMo is not even close to being the defender Pau is.

2. DMo is not even close to being as efficient as Pau is offensively.

oh a couple more points....

If you put DMo low in Bynum's role and Dwight high in Pau's role

3. Dwight is no where near as efficient as Pau is up high. Not even close.

4. You're moving Dwight away from the rim and replacing him with a subpar offensive rebounder.

oh, still a couple more points

5. DMo cannot defend 4's as effectively as Pau. He's not a smart. He's not as long. Can't do it.

6. DMo cannot defend 5's anywhere as close to as effectively as Pau. He's not as long. He's not as smart. Nowhere even close to Pau. Can't do it.

Here's a couple more points:

7. Defensively Asik can do anything DMo can do at about 10x more effectiveness.

8. Offensively if you are going to play high/low like Dwight and Pau then there's no reason not to do that with Asik and Dwight. Put Asik up high and work it. Defense fronts Dwight and sags. Just bring Dwight out and let Asik take one dribble into the paint and dunk it down.


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Here's the facts:

1. If we need defense at the 4 we're gonna play Dwight and Asik together.

2. If we need shooting and space at the 4 we're gonna play Casspi.

3. If somebody gets hurt or traded... we might play DMo or Jones.

 

And if he was really that impactful,the numbers would be reversed. Remember rasho making 8m per. They do everything in their power for some reason to keep duncan from playing center. Whether its overpaying for rasho and splitter or signing the guy from denever who I can't remember. That's what they've been doing since david robinson retired. Part of the reason they gave scola away is because it would've slid duncan to center. Some of it was also to avoid the LT.

 

The Spurs do everything they can to have the greatest contrast. They are able to go ultra big with the twin towers against power teams like Memphis. And they are able to spread it out and play small ball. It's all about options and flexibility to matchup any way and play any style.

 

How is what I said ridiculous? As of today, we still don't know who can play the 4. Step aside, rook.

 

We are not trading our TJones or DMo if we keep Parsons there.

 

Need somone to emerge at PF

I would rather play Chanlder at PF and put Garcia at the 3 spot, don't like Casspi (d is horrible). Bring Williams off the bench in Garcia's spot, he has a little harden in him. I would play Jones, Asik, Williams, Beverly, and Casspi together if it works.

* Don't want to see Asik and D12 on floor together, any team with 3 point shooters and penetrators will light us up
* Dmo and Jones are horrible mid range and 3 pt shooters, however, Jones D is definitely better than Dmo
* Smith should get cut, he's a liability on offensive end and we have everythign we need without him
* Goodbye Camby
* Goodbye Brooks