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Could Motiejunas and Jones both move out of the rotation?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by CXbby, Oct 17, 2013.

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Who's in?

Poll closed Nov 16, 2013.
  1. Neither Dmo/Jones - We are contenders - No Babies Allowed

    22.2%
  2. 1 out of Dmo or Jones - Still room to grow

    58.9%
  3. Both Dmo and Jones - I just want to watch the world burn

    18.9%
  1. CXbby

    CXbby Member

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    I am actually not against developing young players, what I am against is using live game time to cater to BAD young players, in the name of 'development'.

    I would be against that even if we had just a solid team(like in the past years), but especially since we have a contender now.

    GOOD young players will find their way onto the court one way or another. Leonard, who I underestimated, Jimmy Butler on the Bulls, amongst many other GOOD young players get to play, and develop on contenders.

    Heck, on the Rockets, we had no problems playing and developing Chandler Parsons his rookie year, he started almost immediately. That was not because of his potential, but because he was a good player who helped the team while he was on the floor. Only then will you get live game minutes, and an opportunity to develop, which Parsons as taken advantage of.

    Heck, even last year, the Rockets played many other young players and let them develop: Harden, Lin, Beverley etc. Because they were good players who helped the team to begin with.

    The reason why Dmo and Jones won't be in the rotation or get many minutes is because they are simply BAD players, at least at the moment. If they improve throughout the year and show it during practice or in the Dleague, once they become GOOD players, I guarantee you they will find their way onto the floor. And if not, then they will find their way out of the NBA.
     
  2. leebigez

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    A lot of guys find their way because of injury or playing on bad teams. Jimmy Butler played via injury. I don't think we have enough minutes to say jones or d-mo are bad players. I don know casspi was on a bad kings team and got traded to a bad cleveland teams and still didn't do enough to establish himself as a consistent nba player at any position. What's the downside of playing jones and d-mo split minutes at the 4? Nothing if you ask me not that my opinion is that important. The upside far outweighs the downside because they can get better. As they get better,the window opens wider and stays open longer with emerging talent.
     
  3. Zoplicone

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    I see where you're coming from but I just think you can't waste that time on these guys. There are cases where young guys develop with contention, but there are a lot more young players that teams keep sticking with that go nowhere. Look at people like tyrus Thomas, or someone like Derrick Williams. And these guys were top 5 picks. And the young guys that you named have done something to earn their time. Leonard showed he can hang with the best. Dmo and tjones haven't done anything ever and both had opportunities to earn playing time. Obviously Mchale and morey see it that way, or else they wouldnt be in the position they are right now.
     
  4. Zoplicone

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    I can readily admit I don't. But just thought of an idea. If I can see that the PF position is gonna hinder us this season, clearly Morey does too. And I'm sure like me Morey doesn't wanna give up bev and asik cuz then our bench would be nothing. But morey signed Patrick Beverly out of nowhere last year. He wasn't on anyone's radar and look how he turned out. And remember the summer before we got Scola we had a huge hole at our PF spot, and then boom, we trade for Luis (a little different situation cuz everyone knew about Scola, but still). Maybe our next PF will be signed from overseas???
     
  5. Htownballer38

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    Indeed I've stated before dude should have his starting line-up set already.
     
  6. Zoplicone

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    NICK CANER-MEDLEY
     
  7. CXbby

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    Butler was in the rotation from the first game last year. Sure, he got more minutes and started due to injury, but if you are a good player, eventually you will find time even if it is off the bench.

    You are right that Dmo/Jones have not gotten enough minutes for us to know for sure, I am only basing this on what I can see so far. However, for the coaches, they don't need to see them in games to realize what they have. They already get to see everyday in practice. So what the coaches are basing their decisions on is much more info than we have.

    Dmo and Jones don't need to be in the game to improve. They can still get better in practice, and once they are good enough to contribute to the team, then you throw them into the fire. Or the garbage disposal(that would be the Sac Kings for our team) if they never get good enough.
     
  8. leebigez

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    Kawai got better from yr 1 to 2. In the playoffs as a rookie and much thru his rookie year he was garbage. Jimmy Butler came out of nowhere because they didn't have a choice. Never like tyrus really nor willians. Sometimes the pressure of being franchise savior is too much. I think Jones if given consistent minutes can be better than anything we've had ina while a pf. He's a ultra athlete who can handle and shooting has improved. He's big enough to play vs the few true 4s and quick enough to play vs the hybrid guys. That's just my opinion.
     
  9. leebigez

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    I understand that,but casspi isn't a better option at no point. I like casspi personaly,but I've watched him at all his stops and he's never really took off. From a skillset,he's a lot like parsons. That's why I thought parsons finally had a guy who can releive him via injury or fatigue. I guess we wll find out soon enough. I'm just tired of saying we don't have time because we're contenders. Yes,they're contenders in a sense,but the rockets are still eveolving. If they were so close,lin wouldn't be still running pg.
     
  10. CXbby

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    I'm not saying Casspi is the answer for this team in the long term. I'm just saying he is the much better player, and much better fit, right now compared to Dmo and Jones. If you disagree with that then it is just a difference in opinion.

    I haven't watched Casspi as a Cav but did see plenty of him as a rookie in Sac. He was a better rookie than Dmo/Jones ever were, and in fact better than a rookie Parsons too. People overrate Parsons so much on this site, they don't understand that if you put Parsons on a terrible Cavs team with only 1 other good player, and tell Parsons to create, he would be shooting under 40% and struggling to get a better offer than the vet minimum too. Chandler should count his lucky stars that he got spoon fed open 3s and layups by Harden and Lin all season last year and will be getting a big contract for it.

    And the reason why Lin plays is because, despite all his flaws, bad turnovers, spotty D, and whatever other issues, he is still a positive contributor of the team and helps us win. When you do that, then you are allowed to play through your mistakes and develop on a contender, like those other young players you listed.

    Dmo/Jones do none of that. So they get their development time in practice.
     
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  11. DaDakota

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    Casspi is more NBA ready today - DMo will be the better player overall.

    DD
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    Casspi is not a PF, he is not a better option at the 4 than either DMo OR Jones. His D against starting PF's would make DMo look like Dwight Howard and the only thing he brings to games is 3 point shooting which is hot and cold with him.

    If you are still talking about Casspi starting at the 4, or logging more minutes at the 4 than either of the legit PF's on the roster, you are trying to sell something.......I mean either that or your player analysis is just awful.
     
  13. CXbby

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    That's what I'm selling. You want to buy?
     
  14. Bobbythegreat

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    You know, every single time a random internet poster comes with a ridiculous take then says essentially "put money on it" I instantly know that he's full of it. The fact that you are supposedly willing to lose money on your flawed analysis doesn't lend any credibility to your premise. It's a desperation tactic used by someone who has no intelligent way of defending his position.

    I'm sorry I forced you in to that position, feel free to continue your laughable pimping out of Jewish Jordan. I learned my lesson with the Lin fans, you don't get in between someone and their irrational sports crushes.
     
  15. CXbby

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    Putting money on something has nothing to do with credibility. It is about accountability.

    Otherwise you can continue to spew your nonsense with impunity about how Casspi isn't a PF while he continues to play every single minute he's been a Rocket as a PF.

    The fact that I am willing to put money on my position does not mean I will be right. However, it does mean I am willing to be accountable for my views.

    The fact that you are unwilling to do so does not make you any less credible, it just makes you a little b****.
     
  16. CXbby

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    As a matter of fact, Bobbythelittlebitch.
     
  17. Bobbythegreat

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    Thank you for proving my point. Every bit as annoying and ridiculous as any LOF without the clever acronym.
     
  18. daywalker02

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    You are still recovering from Busty Morris. I can understand that but neither Tjones and DMo are bad players.

    Tjones is 21..... and Dmo is relatively young too. They might be traded for a veteran but they should be used in action to do so.
     
  19. coachbadlee

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    I don't see where either Jones or Motiejunas were bad. They have both played well throughout the preseason. They both had good runs with the starting unit.
     
  20. Billionzz

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    I don't know why you keep using DMo and Jones as they are one. DMo has had a pretty good preseason and Jones not so much.

    I think DMo is in the rotation at pf. I think DMo and and Casspi should split the time to start the season.
     

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