So we give up junks and get back a young stud. I hope that people stop posting trades that rip off other teams. The GMs in this league are not that stupid...no matter what the media tells you. I don't think that Hinrich is untouchable, but his price is high, and the Rockets sure don't have enough tradeable assets to land him.
Why is hard to believe that Hinrich could be traded? I don't care what a GM says to the media. He could be blowing smoke up our a**es to for all I know, since he is a hightly-coveted player and he would want the best offer for him. Haven't we learned anything from listening to Weisbrod for two weeks this summer? All the top pg's have been traded numerous of times, even in their prime. Kidd, Marbury, Cassell, Francis, etc all have been considered "untouchable" at times in their careers, but still get shipped out for something else. Hinrich is only a second year player who has certainly shown alot of promise, but he is certainly not in his prime nor in the class of some of those other PG's. If Paxson believes Gordon can play PG and play it just as well or better, and he feels he is improving his team, he will trade Hinrich to the highest bidder. Point blank! I'm not saying we have a chance at getting him, but there are only a hand full of players considered "untouchable" and I don't truely believe that a nice role player, with the possibility of only becoming a good role player, is one of those players.
I'm sure most people were saying this.. when Elton Brand was traded.. Hinrich is not an Elton Brand level player but he's untouchable?
No, he won't. He'll deal him if he gets an offer he doesn't feel he can refuse, but he won't just auction him off. Paxson might deal him, but that doesn't mean he's actively shopping him. There's a difference. Paxson is smart enough to know that his team is STILL in the rebuilding stages. He won't trade Hinrich for an aging veteran just for a little bit of instant gratification, and he DEFINATELY won't trade Hinrich just to dump salary, which is the only way we could acquire him. Hinrich isn't untouchable, but he definately isn't on the block, which xiki seems to think. If we offered Yao for Hinrich and Eddy Curry, I'm sure Paxson would do it. If we offered Taylor, Pike, and Spoon for Hinirch and Davis, I'm sure he wouldn't.
Number one, that was different management. Jerry Krause is a hack. Number two, they traded Brand because they thought that Chandler would be a KG-level Superstar to put next to Eddy "Babby Shaq" Curry. Pike/Taylor/Spoon doesn't quite have the same upside.
Yea, that's what I meant. Thanks for correcting me. If Paxson thinks he can better his team on the court and/or financially by trading him (eiher doesn't feel like paying him an extension in a year or two, or REALLY wants bad contracts off the books), he will.
Since the title implies this is gonna be a dreamcasting thread without being anywhere near the realm of possibility, I'll extend mogrod's idea. Of course, this makes no sense whatsoever if Carter doesn't find a way to force himself out of Toronto to go to a big market team, which he is currently threatening (though I added the big market part). Chicago would be ideal for Carter, as a 2 next to their rookie points. And it makes no sense whatsoever for Houston to even be involved, even if Carter is successful in his demands. But, if Chicago were intent for some unfathomable reason on dumping salary (E. Rob & Junkyard) for soon-to-be expiring contracts (Houston's, though Taylor lasts an extra year than the rest), and Toronto wanted to get rid of their damaged goods (A. Williams), this is the only thing I can see.
In a rumored trade from foxsports.com they for Jamal crawford the Knicks would be giving up Kurt Thomas.
How about Yao Ming for Kirk Hinrich? That makes about as much sense as most of the trades postulated here.
Haha! Yea, I never said I was a capologist. Man, that is a hell of alot of "if's"! Haha! But, I was just thinking if a scenario in which the Bulls would trade Hinrich because they are gettiing an Allstar in return.
i live in chi-town. barring a huge surprise/shake-up hinrich is not leaving the bulls. hes the best thing they got goin for them. crawfords out sooner or later (he sucks) and they'll go with hinrich/gordon at the 1 & 2 unless they land a 2 in free agency next year or somethin. everyone on the bulls blows except hinrich.
I don't think it is hard to imagine Hinrich will be traded, but I do think it is hard to imagine that we have the players to acquire him. Just because we think the TE and Mo Taylor are good enough doesn't mean Chicago does and they shouldn't. Paxon would be run out of town on a rail for a deal like that. Chicago isn't trying to get cap room. They already went through that disaster once and they have no interest in going back there. If they are going to deal their point guard of the future, they are going to want young talent in return, not big contracts, average players or a trade exception. We just do not have the tradeable commodities to make a deal like that happen.
If anything, the Elton Brand trade would actually make Paxson pause before trading Hinrich. "He (in this case, the Bulls organization) who does not learn from past mistakes is doomed to repeat them."
Here's the point: They will only trade him for young talent. But what young talent? Better young talent than Curry/Chandler/Gordon/Deng? Hell no. They don't want players past their prime. The only players that will entice Chicago: All Star players, either in their prime or on the verge of it. Of the players like that in the NBA (very few), an even smaller percentage are available, and an EVEN smaller percentage of that will be available for Kirk Hinrich. Players that will net Hinrich: T-Mac Kobe Duncan Garnett Yao Ming Lebron James Carmelo Anthony Nowitzki Bibby maybe? Amare Stoudamire Established All Star calibre players who are either on the verge of their prime, or are there now. The problem is, none of those players are available. Aside from Bibby, none of the other players have a snowball's chance in hell of being traded, much less for a Hinrich/AD package. In theory, everyone is available at their price. There are players whose prices are just too overwhelming to consider "tradeable", and then there are players like Hinrich who WON'T be traded simply because there would be no sensible matching deal. Basically, Hinrich is as available as Yao. Sure, I would trade Yao for Duncan or Garnett, but they would never offer those guys for Yao and a bad contract, nor would it be worth the cap relief for us.
It's pretty obvious that outside of T-Mac and Yao, the Rockets don't have enough to entice Chicago to get rid of Hinrich. But if Hinrich is already anointed Chicago's point guard of the future, what do you think it would take to get Ben Gordon? He could fill the role the Rockets need. He's a pure shooter. He's explosive. Strong for his size. Unselfish. The knock against him is that he's a little short to play the 2, and the general consensus around here is that we don't need a ball handling, quarterback type point guard. We need a playmaker who can knock down open shots.
We have a chance of acquiring Jamal Crawford. Not Kirk Hinrich. If JVG thinks he can make Jamal play some D, I wouldn't be surprised if he got CD to pull the trigger on a deal for Crawford; but we would have to take JYD using the TE. JYD is a little light to be a backup center, but it's the only real scenario involving Chicago/Houston that I can imagine, something like: Juwan Howard (native Chicagoan, never misses games) and Tyronn Lue for Jamal Crawford (new salary starting at about 6.5) and JYD (makes about 5). Kirk Hinrich? Nope. Paxson loves the guy. Chandler? Mr. Glass.
