I love how these videos are always edited right before the policeman has to resort to something that looks over the line when you have no context. Normally these things are a case of the cops getting out of hand, but if this was just a jaywalking "intervention" then why are they putting their hands on him? This group had him outnumbered, what, 6 to 1? And they're putting their hands on him and making a tussle out of what should have probably been a warning or at worst a ticket? Sorry man, as much as I hate to say it... Porky Props... this one was natural selection and they're lucky they didn't ALSO get tased, bro. Had I seen a video where he was giving tickets or arresting someone for jaywalking and they hadn't gotten out of control, I would have sided with the offenders, but they crossed a line you have to know better, whether you friend is holding cameras and an itchy editing finger or not.
Nobody knows the whole story. Maybe this was a couple of girls who walked across the street on a green light like they owned it ..holding up traffic. Maybe the cop just needed to give out a few tickets for his quota at which point the girls became enraged. Maybe the cop was racist. Maybe he wasnt. Who knows.
Where do you see 6 people provoking the officer? I see multiple people standing around either watching, recording or trying to pull the girls away but nobody else besides those two girls posed a problem for the officer.
Did they break a law? I've seen plenty of people in videos scream, sass, get smart with cops and nothing happened to them. <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/JRRTlrfTw0s&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/JRRTlrfTw0s&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object> He said some pretty horrible things yet was only given the ticket for which he was apparently guilty of and warned of getting another one for littering. Like I said, they didn't pose a problem.
that guy didnt push the cop either and although was biligerent, he did do what the cop said. your bias is showing worse and worse. we get it, you hate cops. You don't have to keep saying how the cop is wrong. lets move along
I used that example specifically because he said that some of the people in the background that were watching and recording were yelling at the officer not as an example toward the girls. None of the people in the background even touched the cop and some were trying to pull the one girl away, in a weird way assisting him in pursuing the other girl. That's what that video shows, they (people in the background) did nothing wrong. How is my bias showing? I don't hate cops but I hate ones that abuse or misuse their authority. Like I said, I don't think either party is right in this situation. Thanks for assuming you know though. And how were they mobbing him? Standing around? That seems to be common when officers make an arrest in public. It's called curiosity. People want to be nosy and stand around and see what is going on, it doesn't mean they're threats.
As much as I can't stand cops, that girl had it coming. You don't go pushing a cop, and expect not to get beat down. Heck, if somebody pushed me like that, I would knock them the ***** out.
I didn't say 6 people were provoking. Actually one of them was trying to restrain the girl... but the females were out of control and he was basically surrounded by a group. I don't think he should have punched her, but the fact that they were grabbing him and coming at him from two angles pretty much makes it their own fault. Couple that with him being in the middle of a crowd, it's not surprising he resorted to more heavy handed means to get control of the situation. What I'm saying is that they crossed the line when they put their hands on him and should have known better. Had they not, he would have had no reason to have put his hands on them and probably (can't say for sure with no context to the video) would have looked like an arse for bothering them in the first place.
I'll have to keep this in mind. I can go ahead and break the law and if some cop tries to give me a ticket for it, I can just push him and escalate the issue until any action he might take will be completely out of proportion with the original infraction. And, unlike these ladies, I'm white, so I'll get away with it. I thought your original post must be sarcasm, but I see it wasn't. If you want to be smart about it, a cop writing tickets costs the department less (he probably makes money, net, for the city) than a traffic cop directing pedestrian traffic would. The department should not reasonably expect expensive altercations to result from assigning a cop to write jaywalking tickets. So, sometimes unlucky things happen. From all the times they've ever had cops write jaywalking tickets without incident, the acitivity is probably still worth it despite this one fight. In general, are the police going to be effective in upholding the law if they hide from altercations with law-breakers? A traffic cop may have deterred the jaywalking from occurring in the first place. But, you can't put one at every intersection. How much are we going to spend to stop people from doing what they already know they shouldn't be doing? And, that includes assaulting police officers.
I don't have a problem with saying the women were wrong, they were. I've said it multiple times already. It doesn't matter if it was something small like jaywalking or not, if you don't like the penalty fight it through the system but not the issuer of the offense physically. I do have a problem with everybody giving the officer a free pass, like I said he is a trained professional and should know better and have better tactical procedures in place. Working in the mental helath industry for 5+ years, I saw 120 pound women handle similar/worse situations than this without resorting to straight pummeling people.
If a cop tases someone, he should've body slammed him. If a cop uses physical force, he should tase instead. The cop tried to subdue the women by wrestling them but you can tell they were flailing and resisting arrest. Only way to get the cuffs on them is to use physical force. How does the cop take control of the situation in a timely manner so he can get to the more important tasks as FranchiseBlade suggests he has?
????? The cop was hit first, he did not use physical force until AFTER he was attacked. He was being hit by two women, he absolutely did the right thing
Remember, this is for jaywalking not a shooting or robbery. I'm not saying that defending the girls but because the moment he had trouble with more than one person he should have stepped back, kept track of the offenders and called in for backup. People keep saying he was dealing with two girls, he was outnumbered and there was a mob mentality and in those situations it seems kind of foolish to me to try to tackle it by yourself.
He should have punched her, body slammed her, then tased her. Then pointed his gun at the crowd with eyes like this .
Your post makes a lot of sense, but it also makes no sense. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I agree with you. But I also disagree with you.
You can't just put your hands on a cop. A push/shove is still an attack. He was by himself, there was nothing else he could do. He did not use a taser which I applaud, he used his hands and did a good job
