Thabeet is HORRIBLE. It's not like he's not getting any PT. Does he get a ton? No. But they try over there. They've tried to give him Patrick Patterson like mini-minutes to hope he shows something to allow them to play him more, but he just SUCKS. He played 12 minutes in a close game against a good team last night. His only boxscore contribution - 1 board, 1 foul. He was +7, but that was a function of playing with Darrell Arthur, who dominated the Magic bench. I understand he has the occasional bout of "life" out there, but the dude's a giant, one would think that would happen just by pure luck. i would stay away away away from Thabeet.
While I agree with you that he's playing extremely poor -- doesn't that also mean that he would be a lot less expensive? It's not like we'd have to give up anything of real significant value to land him. True, he may never be the disruptive defense force we'd all like him to be.. but what would we be losing by going after him? I can't imagine much.
Even if the Rockets did trade for him, would Adelman play him? This is Adelman's last year on his contract. He's trying to win games, not develop projects.
I'd trade Jordan Hill and Bud for Thabeet, but not much more. At 7'2" he's worth a gamble for his size alone. But he's going to be a 3-yr project which may never pay off. Perkins Larry Sanders DeAndre Jordan Gortat all seem to be better value (risk/reward) options than going after guys like Nene or Gasol IMHO
yes, but this thread is littered with the likes of: Bud and Hill have plenty of warts of their own, but I wouldn't trade either one of them for Thabeet. trading nothing of significant value = a second round pick, or an expiring contract that at the last minute we can't trade for anything better. plus, as mentioned, adelman isn't going to play him this year (nor should he).
I looked up Hasheem Thabeet in the dictionary. Here's what I found. Hasheem Thabeet—Project 1. lacks skill, fundementally awkward, dearth of fluidity, missing instinctive elements. Not so much a basketball player rather a comic performer, as in a circus, theatrical production, or the like Origin: 1987 Tanzania —Synonyms 1. Bust 2. Olowokandi, Michael 3. Benjamin, Benoit —Antonyms 1. Deke
Really funny. love this take, but i just don't think you can call someone a bust after 1 year. The Olowokandi comparison is scary close to the mark though.
Whats more important to look at is the way he fits in Adelman's system. A more mobile big like Gortat/Nene would fit in better with what this team is trying to do.
i see your point, but i don't think we can assume that Adelman will be coaching the Rockets for another 4 years. We may have to completely rebuild. We ought to be going after the best player period, and not limiting our trade options to only players that fit the Adelman mold. I'm not advocating for Thabeet, just saying that we shouldn't overlook good players who are not necessarily made for Adelman's system (not that Thabeet is a good player)
Aruba77, that what I'm saying. Its not about screwing adelman, but its about getting the best players. If we have all these adelman system players and a more defensive coach comes in next year, then some of those guys are useless. What if memphis is really worried about losing gasol,but they know they cant keep gasol and randolph. Of course the rockets dont want to appear to go into tank mode, but get a project like thabeet. Yao,scola,miller,and lee for Randolph and thabeet Yao and randolph make the same money,scola is byc,miller and lee gives them 7m more in salary. I want be the one to say scola is as good as Randolph,but he's half the cost and gives the grizz similar,but less production.Randolph is going to make 10-12m next year as will gasol. Scola and gasol=20m which is what gasol and randolph make this year. Yao has the insurance being paid,we get to dump millers contract and lee wont play significant behind martin. Randolph still gives the rockets the illusion their still in the playoff hunt, we dump millers contract and get thabeet for a trial run.We send out 27is m and get back 22m which get us under the lux tax.
I understand and I'm with you 100% but there is a good chance that Adelman will be back after this season, and trust me this kid won't be able to contribute to this team anytime soon even with another coach. If you get frustrated with Jordan Hill then u will be even more frustrated with Thabeet. The Rockets have much bigger problems with their defense Than just blocked shots and Thabeet would get himself in foul trouble quite often due to the bad defense on dribble penetration and rotations. I believe the Rockets are better off going with a solid center where you know what you are going to get. Thabeet is at least two more seasons of development to be able to contribute. Rockets fans are not patient enough for this kid obviously.
First off, you dont have anything to note adelman will be around. He couldve signed an extension last summer. Secondly, how long have you been a rockets fan? I cant speak for anyone else, but we are patient when it comes to players developing esepcially if we can see progress. What the fans get impatient with is the fence straddling the team is doing now. Look at thabeet contract and how it sets up for 2012 which is the year we should be shooting for anyway. I disagree with you about he and hill. Hill is raw also and much like thabeet, when he plays bigger minutes, he seem to play better. The problem is, their leash is so short. He's in position to make defensive plays much more than Hill. Last night, he battled howard for position, but he gave up a couple of plays and was yanked. I personally dont care if it takes him this year and next to see progress. What are we talking about here? Solid? Show me the solid center on the rockets roster. I think perkins is real solid,but with his age and size, he's going to get 10m probably per year. Is this team a solid center from contention at 10m per? I thought they shouldve gotten in on the gortat trade and perhaps they did. Many on here were talking about how overrated and overpaid he was despite him playing limited minutes behind the best center in the game. Since being in phoenix,even in limited time, he's playing well. I'm not just talking about the other night, but in general. He turned late as a big. Thats including the time he had overseas playing professionally. Big guy normally take more time now. To give up miller(a player who eats into the 2012 cap room) and lee (a player caught up in the depth chart) i think it would be worth the risk. If it doesnt work out, you let him go. If he does turn the corner and at least plas like he did at the end of last year, now you have a bargaining chip.
-First off, Ive been a Rockets fan since I was in diapers almost 30 years ago. I went to both victory parades, bought the sports illustrated, and met Clyde Drexler at the new Oshman's Sporting Goods for an autograph back in the mid 90's after the second championship. The fans on this forum are pissed at Morey for not presenting a contending team THIS YEAR when Houston is only one year removed from the end of the Yao Ming/Mcgrady era. Yes, I am comfortable calling this new breed of fans "impatient." Back to the thread and away from the insults - Well as Ive stated before, I think Gortat would be a real nice fit in Houston and would work well with what the team is trying to do short term and long. Is he an all-star calliber, well no, but im comparison to most teams in the NBA he is solid. [/QUOTE]I disagree with you about he and hill. Hill is raw also and much like thabeet, when he plays bigger minutes, he seem to play better. The problem is, their leash is so short. He's in position to make defensive plays much more than Hill[/QUOTE] *Hill has had his worst performances of the season when he was in the starting lineup so I dont think your theory of him being on a short leash makes much sense. Plus Hill averages the most fouls per minute of anyone else on the Rockets roster. You know who has that same stat for Memphis??? You guessed it... Thabeet. To Hills defense and probably Thabeet's too, alot of their fouls come from the perimeter defenders lapses in dribble penetration stops, but still.... I would hope you get the idea that these guys are similar in the fact that they both do not give you the best ability to win RIGHT NOW, and whether it is Adelman or any other coach that picks up the tab next year, they will not get playing time if that does not change. I would love for the Rockets to pick up Thabeet at a good price, but I would rather give up a little bit more to get a Center who can perform now and in the next four or five years like Gortat/Nene. Thabeet should be a low risk/high reward pickup like Twilliams. And like TWilliams, Thabeet wont get PT any time soon with the Rockets, and there are just alot of question marks about him when it comes to his future in the NBA.
http://blogs.commercialappeal.com/t...h-grizzlies-beat-reporter-ronald-tillery.html The Griz continue to comb the league for a deal involving Hasheem Thabeet. They aren't getting any offers compelling enough to give away the 7-3 project center.
Like I assumed, their asking price must be through the roof. Would like to know what they are asking for. Carmelo Anthony with an extension maybe??
Hill and Miller for Thabeet. 1 project for another project plus brad miller and his 5.5m off the books. Patterson has jumped Hill in the rotation. Even when he gets back, he probably wont play. This move also get the rockets under the lux tax and keeps us in 2012 mode.
Memphis would do it. Morey won't. Thank God. If there is a young big man with a worse skill set than Jordan Hill and less basketball brains, it is Hasheem "Trip Over His Feet Trying To Keep" Thabeet.
The trade would allow us to cut Miller's god-awful salary off the books. I'd do the trade if Memphis wanted to do it and call it the Gay trade Redux. Also Jordan Hill doesn't have a poor skillset. He has a low motor and poor understanding of the game, but he has already shown some flashy post moves and a decent jumper all season long.
If Memphis really wanted to get rid of Thabeet, they would take Jeffries expiring for him. Plus, Jeffries is a serviceable bigman.
