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Connick Jnr. starts race row over tv skit in Australia.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Gakatron, Oct 7, 2009.

  1. Gakatron

    Gakatron Member

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    Your first post in this discussion went off topic, if you don't want this to go off topic then please not talk about something else other than my OP. I am happy to go off topic if you wish but I don't see how it is fair for you to go and talk about being called a gook and then when I try and talk about that issue you go and make this statement. Do you think it is fair I should be held accountable for my statements but you are not for yours? I do not.
     
  2. saitou

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    Um that post was in direct reply to your claim that "the media often portrays situations in countries to be worse than they really are". I'm telling you that as a minority who lived in Melbourne for 4 years, and depending on which part you're in, racism in Australia can be very prevalent, and not are not just isolated incidents that the media reports to make things look worse than they are. Obviously if an Asian stays in Springvale, he's unlikely to get shouted at by whites. Move further out to Ringwood, the chances go up.

    What I did not do is use this off topic issue to justify whether or not the TV skit is acceptable, which is what you are doing here:

    We can both agree gangs do bad things. That's it. It has nothing to do with your OP. If you want to talk about Asian gangs in Melbourne doing bad things, or even racist things fine, we can talk about that, but don't use their actions to justify what happened in the TV skit because they are unrelated.
     
  3. Gakatron

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    No I am replying to your said statement. What gives you the right to make a statement to one of my comments without me getting the right to reply to you? Yes what I said had nothing to do with the OP but it did have something to do with your post! I always thought that any statement made in a D&D was left open to reply by anyone who disagreed? I am amazed so many people here seem to be missing the name of this forum. DEBATE & DISCUSSION, from what you are saying it should be 'state a view without the right of reply'.
     
  4. Rocket River

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    Probably because your position in society . . . .the upper rung of the social ladder so to speak.
    Is a direct result of your ancestors stepping on the backs and throats of those other folx's ancestors.
    and
    the other folx's position . .. on the lower rung of the social ladder so to speak
    is a direct result of your ancestors stepping on their ancestor's throats and backs . . .

    See. . . you inherited the benefit . . .maybe you should inherit the debt.

    i.e. If I stole all your money. Left you and your family in abject poverty for the next 5 generations
    but
    because of the money I stole. . . my family is enriched and living lovely
    If I die . . . .you saying my family don't even owe your family an apology?

    So the rule is. . . Steal as much as you like . . .and the die
    the money is now safe for your family to have guilt-free and debt Free

    According to you . . .what the Nazi's stole should belong to Germany and their ancestors. . . since all those old school Nazi's are dead now . . . . Isn't that right?

    Rocket River
     
  5. Gakatron

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    I can tell from your posts to love to throw the blame but it is people like you who are making it hard for everyone to get along. This post is racist in itself in the fact it is labeling me as 'owing' you something because of what I was born as. I must of missed the option of choosing who I was born as when I entered the world. For starters my 'ancestors' had nothing to do with slavery in America, my 'ancestors' were English who came here and yes treated the native people poorly, we are working towards something better now but my 'ancestors' and myself owe you not a thing. Yet you come on here claiming some high moral ground and belittling me because of my opinions, you know nothing about me yet you are happy to judge yet not be judged yourself. I guess its always easier to throw around blame than help towards a solution. No one in my generation agree with how your ancestors were treated but how about you do a bit of research through history where you will find at some time every ethnic group/culture was at some point controlled and treated poorly. So I guess that means anyone who invaded England throughout history owes me something right? By your reasoning of course.
     
  6. saitou

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    READ AGAIN. If you want to talk about gangs etc that's FINE. If you want to say Asian gangs do bad things, are racist etc feel free to write a thesis on it. But what you did, in the section I already quoted, was use the existence of Asian gangs, and you not judging them to be racist as somehow being justification for everyone else not judging the TV skit to be racist, when it should have nothing to do with it. I'll quote yourself one more time for you.

    To simplify it for you: discuss asian gangs=fine, use asian gang violence to justify TV skit=wrong

    Back to the video, you still haven't answered this:
     
  7. Rocket River

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    Evidently you lack basic reading comprehension
    or
    You simply projecting.
    Feeling guilty? Feeling a little Privileged?
    Poor Poor GAKaTron . . . feeling a bit defensive?
    Are all those countries that invaded England in control of England now? Living the high life off poor ole England?

    I don't recall stating you owed me anything
    You want me to do research when you cannot even read
    a simple post without adding what you feel and thinKing or what you wanted me to say maybe? you might wanna sit down With Dr. Phil and figure out why you doing that.

    You remind of those folx who looking at Dances with Wolves
    and feel bad for the poor Native Americans . . kicked off their lands
    then
    turn around an b**** about their Tax Exempt Status

    I think I know what you are. . . you are what we think you are.

    Rocket River
    [I wonder what he will projected into that statement *grin*]
     
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    There are so many things wrong with what you posted there that I don't even know where to start. That's the attitude of focusing on "entitlement because my ancestors were treated poorly" instead of focusing on the opportunities you are given now. I don't think Obama had/has that attitude, why do you?

    Umm, depending on how far you want to go back...yes. 1066, battle of Hastings. So now you think that whoever have Saxon ancestors should go around with a sense of entitlement against those with Norman ancestors (if that could even be distinguished at all anymore...fortunately, it can't)?
     
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    WOW, this thread the whole time was about Gakatron! Who would have thunk. A convoluted and badly veiled attempt to express how defensive Gakatron feels and how sorry he feels about himself and his white people who have been done so wronged by pesky minorities who can't take a joke. He has only used Connick Jr's feeling about one stupid skit that he is defending with all his great, well thought out reasoning and intellect as a jumping off point to discuss such grave issues that have plagued his 'people' for so many generations. This is real folks! Maybe Gakatron should watch this and stop being a little crying, attention w****. Lighten up! :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY

    Rocket River and saitou, I commend you both for trying to understand, educate, and reason with privileged fools.
     
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  10. amaru

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    *facepalm*
     
  11. Rocket River

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    heheheheheheheheheheehehhahahahahhaheheheahahehahe

    Oh My . . . . Goodness. . .almost made me spit out my drink
    Thank you for a great laugh.

    Rocket River
    I had semi anticipated this . . . . . . The new Trump Card
    Great . . .thanks man. . . I truly do appreciate it.
     
  12. Gakatron

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    You are quick to jump on me personally it seems. I raise a decent point and you go back to this mentality. Like I said again it is people like you that don't help this situation one bit. You probably do squat to help your fellow people, probably don't even give to charity do you? Really you are no different to those who treated your ancestors poorly before you, instead of working to a solution you want to keep throwing fuel on the problem. While you keep it as us v them, the other side will see it the same way. What do you want? will you not be satisfied until you have white people as slaves, an eye for an eye approach? Your love for bringing up our ancestors and your obvious hate for white people makes me wonder. Would you have been happy if we lost WW2? Because if we did you probably wouldn't even be getting to have this conversation. My point being it could be a lot worse than it is.

    Like the post above me states yes England was invaded in history, depending how far back in history you wish to go. You seem petty enough to wanna go back as far as you can. Africa as we know had just as bad history throughout the ages of gruesome battles between regions and tribes and still to this day continue to. The fact you are on the earth means somewhere down the line your 'ancestors' probably killed off a group they were at war with. I guess you are working hard to make up for that?

    I know exactly what you are to my friend, I know you are not alone. You believe I am some high and mighty white man who was handed everything my whole life because of my skin color and doesn't know a thing because I come from some other country. I believe you are someone who uses the disgusting treatment of your ancestors as excuse for you basically to be racist yourself, of course being African American and channeling this hate towards white people you get away with it. You don't want to help make the world a better, fairer place for everyone because that is harder than the 'poor me' routine you can keep going on with.
     
  13. Rocket River

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    Thanks. Maybe I should quit now.
    Because you have really said the truth and all that really needs to be said.

    Rocket River
     
  14. amaru

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    <Really you are no different to those who treated your ancestors poorly before you,>


    My bulls*** senses are tingling!!!


    :eek:
     
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    I think it is a lost cause to save this thread from deterioration. That being stated, I think most minorities can agree there is a history of racism in America and in Australia (two countries known for their arrogance and mistreatment of indigenous people) It would be too simplistic to dismiss that skit as ignorance when there is obviously intent there, not to praise through parody the memory of the Jacksons. I am very certain that we could all agree that no member of that family would appreciate that type of buffoonery representing their legacy. It can be forgiven and left in the past but don't feign ignorance.

    Good job Harry.



    ....it is now old news.....
     
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  16. aghast

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    A personal observation: you should probably stop typing now, champ. You're not doing yourself any favors; sit this one out.
     
  17. Dan B.

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    Too funny. Pointing out that blackface minstrel skits are racist = rooting for the Nazis.
     
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    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,28383,26185061-5013560,00.html
    Aboriginals were thought to be "dying out" The idea was to help aboriginals integrate better into mainstream society for a better chance of survival. The government policy was actually adopted from the US. That's typical of Australian governments, taking on failed policies of foreign nations...
     
  19. aghast

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    Right...

    That's the most charitable reading one can possibly give it, and doubtless that was a driving motivation for the do-gooder, paternalistic set. We do both agree it was a "failed" policy. "Atrocity," I'd call it, but "failed" is at least a start.

    To be able to kidnap, for her supposed benefit, a child from her parents, without having proven any negligence on their behalf, is to deny the humanity of the child and parents, and consider the race they come from to be subhuman. (And yes, I'm aware of what the Office of Indian Affairs did to Native Americans. The idea, as you acknowledge correctly, is to learn from history, not repeat it.)

    Other motives, from the link above:
    Sounds like all involved were truly, only concerned for the welfare of the indigenous populations.

    When that fine, upstanding California man kidnapped the Dugard child and held her for the next twenty years in his own private rape dungeon, I'm sure his motivation was only the best interests of the child. Just helping to "integrate" her better into mainstream society.

    A better analogy: Southern slaveholders in the 1800s were just terribly, terribly concerned that West Africans didn't have sufficient shelter in their native land. In exchange for free transportation to the States, with room & board thrown in, these slaveholders only wanted to help instill in West Africans a proper sense of the great American work ethic. You know, solely for the Africans' benefit.

    All of this is to say: that some random Australian television producer sure as ---- should have known better than to put a minstrel show on in 2009.
     
  20. saitou

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    +1

    Not much else to say really.
     

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