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Connecting the Trump-Russia Dots

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by adoo, Mar 8, 2017.

  1. NewRoxFan

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    Yea, the Russians throwing out our diplomats sure showed the Russians not to mess around with us.

    Of course, Trump had to be shamed into signing sanctions bill against the Russians, in the process complaining that he didn't want to sign sanctions.

    Lucky for Trump, there are enough Americans (aka his base) who don't really care...
     
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  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Is expelling the diplomats Trump's fault

    You're obsessed
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    His reaction to the expelling of the diplomats is Trump's fault.

    His inability to have backbone and take stand for the United States of America is Trump's fault.
     
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  5. NewRoxFan

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    At what point did I blame Trump for the diplomats getting expelled? There is plenty of stuff I blame Trump for, but that isn't one. Would you like me to list off what I do blame Trump for?
     
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    Indirectly at the very least yes. The Russians meddled in our elections for a variety of reasons, but when he the candidate himself said on like TV for the Russians to hack Hillary's emails, and when the Trump campaign was meeting with Russian officials in July (as at the very least a signal that they are willing to accept Russia's help), he at the very least inadvertently contributed to the success of the Russians meddling in our election, which led to sanctions, which led to the diplomats being expelled.

    And that's just what we know as a fact. Would anyone be shocked if more reports came out with evidence that the Trump campaign assisted in any other ways to help the Russians hack our election??... Really?

    Having one candidate encourage a foreign bad actor to meddle in our election will certainly lead to their actions to meddle in our election. He deserves a good deal of blame for this incident and his response today was so incredibly un-American and embarrassing that I can't believe Trump fans still have the lack of dignity to stick up for this jackass. You should be ashamed of yourself man.
     
  8. Amiga

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    I can think of a few.

    Save some money, for a few more Trump's golfing per year.

    Further deteriorate moral at the State Dept. --> Deconstruction of the Admin state. Also, Trump is the greatest negotiator of all - why need a whole dept when you got the best of best.

    Gut representation of United State interests that has span generation of elections and isn't tied to any political parties, so that there is more of a direct representation of Trump interests (see tweets).

    p.s. perhaps, to be Putin's good friend... just perhaps.
     
  9. pirc1

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    You have turned into a joke poster.
     
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    Holy ****, of all his "old tweets come back to haunt him", that is easily the best.
     
  13. NewRoxFan

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    LOL... Trump's visions into the future were strangely accurate. Maybe a career change and replace the late Lady Cleo? heck, he can team up with:

    [​IMG]
     
  14. pgabriel

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    Trump is never gonna be presidential. Being presidential was definitely something Obama excelled at.

    All I'm saying is at some point the criticism is mind numbing. What he said about the diplomats is almost a joke.
     
  15. Amiga

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    mind numbing is a technique for authoritarian leader

    don't fall for the trap!
     
  16. NewRoxFan

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    Geez, talk about understatement. Trump isn't being presidential... more over, he is degrading the office of the presidency.

    But that as awful that is, there are many more specific reasons to criticize the Trump, and yes, there is so much to criticize that it can seem numbing or overwhelming (and note, I used lots of restraint to avoid the easy "you have a mind to numb?") it is important to object to each awful thing he says and does. Otherwise you give him a pass as if its somehow acceptable. And even if you are republican, that is an awful outcome... because who knows, the next crazy-town president may be a Democrat.

    For example, you mention what Trump now spins as "sarcastic" comment about Putin expelling hundreds of US diplomats. His little "joke" belittles the importance of the work our diplomats do. And they expressed their own outrage... I have already posted a number of objections and quotes from current and past US diplomats who were shoced and offended by Trump's remarks, but here are more:

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-fg-trump-thanks-russia-20170811-story.html
     
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    Just like your new posting style.
     
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    Trump so far has:

    1. Halted the Obama-era deal with Cuba (Russian ally)
    2. Reaffirmed the U.S.'s ability to defend itself against North Korea (Russian ally)
    3. Reaffirmed the U.S.'s commitment for democracy and rule of law in reaction to events in Venezuela (Russian ally)
    4. Promoted U.S. natural gas exports to Europe (Russian customer)

    For a Russian spy, he sure is doing a bad job.
     
  19. FranchiseBlade

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    You are doing a good job of overstating the Russian ally label though.
     
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  20. Cohete Rojo

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    Not for North Korea:

    Russia claims N. Korea launch not ICBM, objects to condemnation statement

    Russia says bellicose rhetoric on North Korea is 'over the top'


    Not for Venezuela:

    Special Report: Vladimir's Venezuela - Leveraging loans to Caracas, Moscow snaps up oil assets

    Venezuela’s unraveling socialist government is increasingly turning to ally Russia for the cash and credit it needs to survive – and offering prized state-owned oil assets in return, sources familiar with the negotiations told Reuters.

    As Caracas struggles to contain an economic meltdown and violent street protests, Moscow is using its position as Venezuela’s lender of last resort to gain more control over the OPEC nation’s crude reserves, the largest in the world.

    ...

    Rosneft delivered Venezuela’s state-owned firm more than $1 billion in April alone in exchange for a promise of oil shipments later. On at least two occasions, the Venezuelan government has used Russian cash to avoid imminent defaults on payments to bondholders, a high-level PDVSA official told Reuters.
     

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