First of all- What is the deal with so many Trump fans here being Cowboys fans? You realize this is a Houston Rockets fansite and not a Mavericks site right? Second - Let's just ASSUME for a minute that your conspiracy theory is correct and Natalia was a secret Obama/Hillary mole (in a secret plot to lose the election to then hurt Trump later down the line). That DOES NOT change the FACT in writing that Donald Jr., Manafort, and Kushner believed she was Russian Government in the first place (yes yes.. Kush and Manafort will deny reading the email even though they still were at the meeting so obviously that's false), AND Don Jr. expressed glee at the notion that this supposed Russian government operative was going to coordinate help to supply documents/information that was part of an effort by the government to help Trump get elected. You can spin conspiracies however you want to, but facts are the facts, and its in writing. And its not fake news.... ITS FROM TRUMP JR. HIMSELF. The fact that folks like you are spinning this BS just proves that Trump and his fans are spitting on the American flag as we speak. How does it feel to turn your back on your own country (unless you are a Russian sympathist from the US or a Russian) for the sake of tribalism towards your loyalty to a reality TV star?
How about Un-American and Un-ethical? Nobody here but Bima is a lawyer that I know of... What the F are you guys defending? The very least you Trump fans can do is say (hint - I'm about to give you a line to help YOU establish some dignity) "Yeah... this is bad and unethical, and I'm ashamed as a patriotic american that my candidate would have done this, but I'm willing to forgive if he makes up the trust over time that his policies are 100% American first, and the Mueller investigation clears his name that he doesn't have any conflicts that will cloud his decision making to ensure his decisions have our best interests in mind." Is that so hard? That's the very least you guys could say, BUT I shouldn't be surprised since you are someone who openly thinks women who claim they are sexually assaulted don't deserve to be heard. Truly despicable.
don't know if folks caught Alan Dershowitz's piece yesterday: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017...crime-or-merely-political-sin-it-depends.html Dershowitz: Did Donald Trump Jr. commit a crime or merely political sin? It depends By Alan Dershowitz Published July 11, 2017 Fox News Special Counsel Robert Mueller will surely be looking into the meeting between Donald Trump, Jr., and a Russian lawyer named Natalia Veselnitskaya. Part of the meeting was also attended by Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law, and Paul Manafort, who at the time was running Trump’s campaign. It now seems clear from the emails that the Trump people went to the meeting expecting to be given dirt on Hillary Clinton from the Russian government. The question remains, if this is all true, is it criminal? The first issue that must be addressed by Mueller is whether any existing criminal statutes would be violated by collusion between a campaign and a foreign government, if such collusion were to be proved? Unless there is a clear violation of an existing criminal statute, there would be no crime. Obviously if anyone conspired in advance with another to commit a crime – such as hacking the DNC – that would be criminal. But merely seeking to obtain the work product of a prior hack would be no more criminal than a newspaper publishing the work product of thefts such as the Pentagon Papers and the material stolen by Snowden and Manning. Moreover, the emails sent to Trump Jr. say that the dirt peddled by Veselnitskaya came from “official documents.” No mention is made of hacking or other illegal activities. So it is unlikely that attendance at the meeting violated any criminal statute. Whether or not such collusion, if it occurred, is a crime, it is clear that the American people have the right to know whether any sort of collusion –legal or illegal – took place. And, if so, what was its nature. The Mueller investigation is limited to possible criminal activity. Probing the moral, political or other non-criminal implications of collusion with, or interference by, Russia is beyond the jurisdiction of the special counsel. It is the role of Congress, not the Criminal Division of the Justice Department, to make changes in existing laws. Perhaps mere collusion by a campaign with a foreign government should be made a crime, so as to prevent future contamination of our elections. But it is not currently a crime. Nor will it be easy to draft a criminal statute prohibiting a campaign from using material provided by a foreign power, without trenching on the constitutional rights of candidates. But this is all up to Congress and the courts, not the special counsel, with his limited jurisdiction. That is why the entire issue of alleged collusion with, and interference by, the Russians should be investigated openly by an independent nonpartisan commission, rather than by a prosecutor behind the closed doors of a grand jury. The end result of a secret grand jury investigation will be an up or down determination whether to indict or not to indict. If there are no indictments, that will end the matter. The special counsel may issue a report summarizing the results of his investigation, but many experts believe that such reports are improper, since the subjects of the investigation do not have the right to present exculpatory evidence to the grand jury, which typically hears only one side of the case. Beyond any report, there will also be selective leaks, such as the many that have already occurred. Leaks, too, tend to be one-sided and agenda driven. A public non-partisan commission investigation, or even one conducted by partisans in Congress, would be open for the most part. They would hear all sides of the story, and the public would be able to judge for itself whether there was improper collusion. A commission or Congressional committee could also recommend changes in the law for the future. The American people need to know precisely what the Russians tried to do and did – and what, if anything, the Trump campaign knew and did. These issues go beyond a cops-and-robber whodunit. They involve the very essence of our democracy. Alan M. Dershowitz, Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law, Emeritus and author of Taking the Stand: My Life in the Law and Electile Dysfunction. Follow him on Twitter @AlanDersh and Facebook @AlanMDershowitz.
The way the Trump team acted, I have a hard time believing this is the only evidence they left behind. It may not involve Trump himself, but I believe Mueller will find more links to Trump campaign.
anyone still defending trump - whether what transpired is an actual crime or not - deserves to have their patriotism questioned. period. whether or not you crazily believe all this is some democrat/obama mole/plant, trump jr admitted to meeting with a foreign adversary to help undermine our elections and the entire trump team up until this point has blatantly lied about it to our faces. if you still side with trump, it's clear that your loyalties are to trump and party more than to this country. congrats on being scumbags.
it's just insanity! how morally bankrupt does one need to be to continue to defend this man's and his administration's actions??? in all seriousness, my mind has a hard time grasping how these people delude themselves to such a degree. what's even crazier is that many of these folks are self-proclaimed "christians" and staunch "patriots." the mental gymnastics they must jump through is mind bottling.
I understand name-calling and the frustration but it's counterproductive to call people scumbags, etc, for their headlocked political views. There but for the grace of God go any of us...
is it? at one point do you call a spade a spade? those "headlocked political views" helped get this man elected into the highest office in the land... their "headlocked political views" come with repercussions for everyone - healthcare, the environment, the economy, foreign policy, human rights, etc. they can no longer hide behind ignorance for their "headlocked political views,'... it's all out there for the world to see. you're seeing a clear ousting of those who place party politics over country IMO.
Especially when soon after the meeting was over Trump senior tweeted about Hillary emails. Just a coincidence, I am sure.
Reading comprehension please. Trump was not supposed to win. It was a foregone conclusion for the left that Hillary would win and none of this would come out. They wanted the ability to conduct surveillance on the Trump campaign and more than likely that's what this was about. Providing the rationale to conduct that surveillance.
This is accurate, but the Leftist Deep State Power Core continues to work the puppet strings and Mueller is forced to continue his investigation.
