The PMRC was way ahead of you. Song lyrics that don't glorify the state or family life often caused teenagers to commit suicide, use drugs and even worship the devil. It's all because of that Darling Nikki song by Prince, I reckon.
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I guess Al and Tipper were right. Music needs to be regulated. "You're never sure what caused an individual to commit a specific act," said Brad Bushman, a communications and psychology professor at Ohio State University. "But I've been doing research on violent media for 20 years, and the evidence is that it leads to aggressive behavior. It's not the only factor that leads to violence, but it's one of them." Jared Loughner's music choice, Drowning Pool's 'Bodies,' strikes chilling chord http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/10/AR2011011006333.html
Do you know who is depicted in the crosshairs, rtsy? I would love it if Sarah put herself there, and maybe she will, given her penchant for "oh poor me, I am crucified by the gotcha media. wha wha wah."
Okay, you know they put themselves in the crosshairs, as targets of NYPD then. Good. You should also listen to the lyrics of "My Uzi Weighs a Ton" if you want to judge their stance on violence as a means to an end. If you just want to find a way to defend Sarah, fine. I challenge you to find more of an orange to her apple though. It would be fun to compare and contrast the rhetorical ability of Public Enemy to Sarah Palin. No, wait a minute. It would be more interesting to just review the masterworks of PE.
There is nothing in PE lyrics that particularly aligns itself with gangs. In fact their lyrics speak against violence, selling drugs, etc.
wikipedia: S1Ws were the first people to inhabit the Earth? They are that old? Carrying replica uzis? What kind of violent message does that send? Oh I see... they are just a symbol.. like what one would find on a map. I am glad we are trying to move past such vitriolic rhetoric in the enlightened, Obama-led civilization. PE and their supporters should realize the effect that they can have on those who are less than stable and easily influenced. They should be utterly denounced, like a Nutter Butter in a government school.
Why are you scared about these groups of black people carrying guns, but not tea party groups carrying guns? Why do you have two standards of when it's OK for groups to carry guns? As far as the rhetoric goes I've said before that as part of art it's a different realm. PE are not politicians. If you want to try and make a connection to violence with PE that's one thing, but why gang violence as you initially said?
PE selling albums to the youth to incite violence is nothing compared to those preserving our Constitutional right to protect ourselves from such violence. It's inflammatory, anti-government rhetoric!!!!! Don't you know what that means???!!! rhetoric damn it!!!! Some more PE <object width="853" height="505"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/7oSLR3bW4vI?fs=1&hl=en_US&hd=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/7oSLR3bW4vI?fs=1&hl=en_US&hd=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="853" height="505"></embed></object>
PE doesn't incite youth to violence and is art not politicians. The video was ridiculous and hardly anything if anything at all in that video actually showed people blaming the violence on political rhetoric. This is where you and others are getting carried away, talking about the shooting and what happened and talking about making the discourse more civil isn't blaming the shooting on political rhetoric. Why are you against increased civility in politics? Seriously rtsy, the very few people who did actually claim that right wing extremists rhetoric caused the shooting stopped doing that after they were proved wrong at least a week ago. Why are you still lashing out anytime somebody suggests that political dialogue be free of uncivil and violent rhetoric? What is keeping you from moving on like everyone else has?
so the shooting is the fault of Right wingers?? im confused. And demo or repub, cant we both agree that we shouldn't trust the govt?
No, very few people ever claimed that the shooting was the fault of right wingers. There were a few who did in the first couple of days, and they were wrong and unfair. What most people did say was that after the shooting maybe we can tone down the rhetoric. Some people have become extremely defensive and aren't able to tell the difference between asking to tone down the rhetoric and actually laying blame for the shooting. The govt. has long ago sacrificed their right to be trusted without proving themselves first.
rtsy, I hope you are enjoying making posts for yourself, and making a point to yourself. It is making everyone else sad. If you had out a cup, we could at least put some change into it so you could save up for a sandwich or something.
Define "a couple" of days. http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/20...age-and-rest-gang-guilty-stochastic-terrorism January 13, 2011 When you listen to people like Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, and the rest of the gang – it’s easy to see – these men and women are guilty of something called stochastic terrorism. That is – the use of mass communication like radio or television to encourage individuals to commit random lone acts of violence. It’s what Glenn Beck was guilty of when he encouraged Byron Williams to attempt to massacre members of the Tides foundation and ACLU. It’s what Bill O’ Reilly was guilty of when he shouted “Tiller the baby killer” a dozen times on his show – and then someone killed Dr. George Tiller. And it could be what all these talking heads are guilty of when Jared Lee Loughner took his semi-automatic pistol to a local Safeway grocery store in Tucson on Saturday and attacked his hated "big government" by trying to assassinate a Congresswoman. We are living in a volatile and violent nation today – and if we want to emerge from it – we need to recognize the damage certain people on the Right are doing. They are profiting off their own unique form of terrorism. ------------ And I am against "increased civility in politics" because it's just a fake bullcrap conformity - kind of like my fake rants against PE. Any talk of improving the tone of public discourse is really just an attempt to censor the viewpoints they disagree with - kind of like hitting the "report button". I would much rather hear the accusations of stochastic terrorism being made. At least they are brave enough to say what they actually believe.
I call shenanigans. If comedians like Bill Cosby and Jeff Foxsworthy can maintain their comedy while still being clean so can politicians. The meaning of your message can be maintained even if the violent overtones are gone. We as a society self censor the entire time. We wear clothes, choose not to curse in front of kids, speak politely (even on these forums) because we choose to live with civility and censorship. The thing is, extremism of any form is wrong. If we completely censor we are wrong. If there are no means to censor, insanity will prevail. We walk on a balance beam every single day. If you choose to shake that balance, then you are part of the problem, you are selfish, and hopefully, you're the only one who falls off. Chances are, you end up taking some innocent soul down with you. Back to the topic at hand. Thank God the woman is improving. I am really scared that she isn't talking yet, but I really hope she makes it through. I hope she stays in politics, and I hope that she does another congress at your corner. If she does, I will gladly show up and show her my support.
