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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rimrocker, Jan 8, 2011.

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  1. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Because they know someone who already dislikes the person buying the ad is going to point to it and somehow try to connect it with the shooting?
    Targeting congressional districts is not unique to the right. Someone already posted the image from DailyKos that was substantially the same. Calling oneself a strait shooter is not limited to the right and certainly is not something that has developed lately.
    Yes, I do. You know that straight shooter is an idiom meaning someone who tells it like it is, right?
     
  2. vlaurelio

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    so what's the point of putting bullet holes?
     
  3. tallanvor

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    Abe Lincoln's Cooper Union Speech:

     
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    I don't know if this means anything but it seems very bizarre that a mentally disturbed person had access to guns and ammo but not a digital camera.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    Great speech.

    I think we need to be sure that we separate the accusing of the right wing of being responsible and differentiate that from pointing to right wing extremist rhetoric, or inflammatory rhetoric.

    There certainly were those that initially accused rhetoric from the right of inspiring the shootings. There weren't many who did, but it did happen, and was wrong, a rush to judgment and unfair.

    There has been a lot of talk of trying to be more civil, and pointing out examples of inflammatory and extremist talk. Far more of this than actual accusing that talk of causing the shooting.

    Yet the right seems to be keen on continuing to point out that a few people unfairly attacked them. Even those that did at first stopped after the first day or two, yet still we here the complaints of how wrong it was for those few people to have accused them.

    I guess if the right feels that defensive about it, they can continue to harp on it, but it isn't the same as pointing out uncivil and violent rhetoric brought up for the sake of trying to change the tone.
     
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    Unless you have a $2-3K full frame digital camera, 35mm film is superior.
     
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  8. tallanvor

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    This is the same victim who said after the shootings:

    “It looks like Palin, Beck, Sharron Angle and the rest got their first target,” Eric Fuller, a former campaigner for Ariz. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, told Democracy Now. “Their wish for Second Amendment activism has been fulfilled.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/14/shooting-victim-says-beck-palin-angle-got-their-first-target/#ixzz1B99aciLO
     
  9. rcoleman15

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    Link:
    http://www.hcnonline.com/bay_area/news/article_92f75f94-a34e-5027-a14f-cf15a26d54ce.html

     
  10. rimrocker

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    Um, be careful of the speeches you cite. This one in particular.

    The first part is a decimation of the states' rights argument that is so in vogue now among the Tea Party set.

    And the second part, from which you quote, does not mean quite what it seems you think it means. Here's the beginning of that section of the speech...

    Lincoln is clearly calling to account the Southern Democrats (in today's terms, they would be "Republicans" or more likely, "Tea Partyites" while Lincoln would probably be a Dem) and the odd justifications of their positions, even though it depends on "rejecting and denouncing the old policy of the fathers." Only one group in the US has proposed numerous and significant changes to the current Constitution. Only one group demands Christianity be the organizing principle of government. Only one group supports the diminishment of the franchise. Substitute "slavery" for any of the current GOP/TP grievances and the parallels are obvious, if not quite as imposing as slavery.

    After the above passage, Lincoln goes on a long riff about slavery, using Harper's Ferry as a touch point. Included in that portion is the quote you provided. He touches on Southern arguments that blamed the North for the attention that slavery has received but then concludes that the big to-do is because the South made it so, saying:
    This is as good a description of TP rhetoric as anything. Just change "Black Republicanism" to Democrats and change "slave" to communism, socialism, nazism, Liberalism or whatever is the outrage of the day.

    He then shoots down other Southern arguments, such as the notion that the slaves like their masters and the fears of the South that emancipation will be directed by the Federal govt. The latter in particular is still with us in the fears of TPers over gun control, taxes, and such.

    Lincoln then takes on the question of secession, which also has echoes today...

    Again, substitute slaves for any number of issues from taxes and guns to the Census (of all things!). He concludes this section thusly:

    That bolded part was the reaction of the GOP/TP types when Clinton was elected and in some ways intensified when Obama was elected. (Change Repub to Dem in the remarks.)

    (This is getting long, so I'll finish in the next post.... give me a few minutes.)
     
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    The next part Lincoln addresses to Republicans, but is really a continuation of the obliteration of the Southern argument.

    Change slavery to science/global warming. It's not enough that the TPers are left to their own ignorance. No, they must battle and battle until they are assured every person interprets science based on their ideology and no school should teach it, no government should make laws that curb greenhouse gases, no person should act like a conservationist, their should be no energy policy, we should stick with incandescent light bulbs. They will not rest until everyone is not only in agreement with them, but happily doing things that exacerbate the process. That is just one example. Lincoln nails the mindset as well as any modern.

    Lincoln continues...
    He then gets to the crux of the matter then and now:

    The finale...

    The whole speech is a condemnation of the thinking currently employed by the Republican rank and file and to use it to try and make a point in favor of that group shows either desperation or a lack of historical understanding.
     
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    http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/news/2011/1/12/rush_limbaugh_says_loughner_has_full.htm

    Talk show host Rush Limbaugh said today that Tuscon gunman Jarred Loughner is smiling in his mugshot because he knows "he has the full support of a major political party in this country."

    Seriously, any of you conservatives that support this complete nutjob deserve him and his twisted views. I can't believe I actually supported him back in 2000 during the whole Bush/Gore election controversy. A mulligan, please!!
     
  13. StupidMoniker

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    Because a plain text on solid background sign is visually boring and the point of advertising is to draw the consumer's attention?
     
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    Rush Limbaugh biggest POS on earth!!!!!!
     
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    so he wants to associate straight shooter with bullets.. like he's trying to appeal to the pro violennce crowd..
     
  16. ROXRAN

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    pro violence crowd?
     
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    Yeah, severe, but that Limbaugh quote (if it's accurate) says the shooter "has the support" of an entire party, so what is he saying about his listeners? They support shooting democrats? Nobody outside the GOP is a targeted Limbaugh listener. What a hateful, counterproductive piece of crap.
     
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  19. vlaurelio

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    seeing bullet holes on people's bodies turn you on?
     
  20. B-Bob

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    Wha? Dude, that is messed up.
     

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