Congress Asks Justice Department to Investigate Tejada

It would have to be to a well-known player. Who can name anyone on the Panthers' offensive line? Not to mention Carolina lost.

 

I think we can all agree, this is all driven by records. if it comes out that the patriots have a few steroid users, there will be a story.

 

I hope Tejada gets suspended and/or jailed. I dont think the Astros will be that good anyways. Look at that pitching staff.

 

You mean the athletes who actually cheated, with a wink from MLB, and went on to make millions of dollars off of it, and who can never be punished for it at this point? You don't understand why people are taking it out on them? I find it pretty undersntandable that they are taking a hit.

Look, I know you're a smart guy but I think the reason why you are baffled and don't understand is because you want to be baffled.

Perhaps - but then the NFL doesn't have the same history and context regarding steroids that baseball does as I have posted and others have posted before. Again i think you are seeing what you want to see or not see because of where your sympathies lie.

 

Until some semblance of integrity and respect has returned to Capitol Hill, I find laughable for congressional hearings to be held and all the grand standing trappings there within to continue.

You mean there are NO other issues that Congress could be working on? Education? Economy? Mortgage crisis? Border Security? Port Security?Immigration issues?

No, lets go after rich fat cats in the MLB! I'm not saying that we should not hold them accountable. I'm just saying, its ridiculous to penalize players when owners, coaches and the Commish more than likely knew full well what was going on and largely would and did nothing about it. The only appropriate penalty is potentially to deny those especially now retired potentially decline their trip to Cooperstown that is shame enough! Again though this is contingent upon direct, specific, and irrefutable testimony that said person personally witnessed or participated in the administering of the steroids. Otherwise, this is a witchhunt IMO. Unless you can actually provide someone who is devoid of vested interest to turning evidence over to the judiciary committee and ACTUALLY saw Clemens, Tejada, etc. inject themselves or helped to administer then these hearings are a joke and waste of valuable congressional time and taxpayers money.

Even if independently funded, we the people, are STILL footing some of the loot because no committees are EVER efficient and trustworthy and devoid of waste and abuse.

Indicting Clemens and Tejada is NOT the answer! There should be instead a declaration of amnesty and from this point forward anyone caught cheating pays heavy fines, suspensions or even if serious enough the infractions ban from the league which automatically cancels any trips to Cooperstown for them.

I find it laughable that the US Congress is moreless instructing the DOJ to find a way to indict Tejada for alleged perjury. Why isn't the DOJ investigating something else? For example, like why two former border patrol agents, Campeon and Ramos are STILL behind bars and how a known and convicted drug dealer who is not a legalized citizen is given immunity to testify against the agents as a "qualified character" witness against Campeon and Ramos. In addition, the question of why valuable evidence that would have likely acquitted the agents of wrongdoing was suppressed or eliminated by the office of Johnny Sutton, US Attorney of Western US region?

 

It took the NFL more or less a decade from the onset of the admitted & well-documented "steroid era" that began with the Steelers in the mid 70's to implement a steroid policy in '87/89. It took baseball roughly the same amount of time.

But you're right, a big part of the hysteria surrounding steroids in baseball comes from this view of hallowed records from some bygone "pure" era of the game...a view that conveniently ignores segregation, rampant amphetamine use, and a few other things.

This whole idea that fans have been "defrauded" is comical. "Are you not entertained!?!" Everyone - MLB, the players, the vast majority of the fans, the media - turned a blind eye to the obvious, because it was exciting to do so. Anyone who claims they didn't have an inkling of what was going on since 98 or is lying. John Lopez was on the radio yesterday absolutely ripping MLB & the owners for ignoring the issue, which he described as something "everyone" knew was going on. He praised whichever congresswoman brought up the fraud issue as "the only one there who's any good." So you're in great company there. He wants the individual owners called before congress under oath & asked what they knew, when they knew, etc.... Yet, you can go back & read his columns from the Mac/Sosa hypefest of '98, and he paints a much different picture: McGwire is a "hero", Sosa is a "great ambassador", laudatory comment after laudatory comment about how wondrous the whole circus was.

Nobody I've seen is defending MLB & the PA's heel-dragging on steroids. It's great that they're finally addressing this. What's ridiculous is the level of histrionic grandstanding, history-revising, finger-pointing, high-horsing that's feeding another great american passtime: tearing down the heroes you shouldn't have built up in the first place.

 

Out****ingstanding post.

 

I think you have me all wrong. I'm not that smart. I still don't understand why Shawn Merriman is regarded as anything less than the cheating liar that Sammy Sosa is. Except that Merriman actually tested positive. So if you get caught, you're fine, I guess?? It's not really cheating if you get caught??

 

Rodney HGHarrison is a starter in the AFC Championship for the potential "greatest team ever".

 

Thanks dude. I'm headed out until Tuesday, if you're still up for SA bbq cookoff & UT hoops next weekend, drop me a line next week.

 

they didn't test sammy sosa, because their game was in third in popularity

that's the difference

what more do you want. the nfl tested, it caught, it suspended, had mlb done the same thing, no outrage.

 

So people are only upset about the fact that there was no testing, not the cheating itself? Especially when we all knew there was cheating going on, but loved what it meant until a conceived jerk starting breaking records?

And the outrage really isn't that bad among fans, just the media/Congress. If there was real outrage among the fans, MLB revenues wouldn't be anywhere near the NFL's. But they are.

 

there isn't outrage among fans, have you listened to talk shows the last 5 years?

 

If there was real outrage, MLB wouldn't be approaching the NFL in revenues. People may not like the steroid situation, but outrage isn't the right word. And sure, there may be outrage among those sports fans who take the time to call into radio shows, but those who actually call in to sports shows are a tiny percentage of sports fans.

Again, do you think people are only upset because there wasn't testing, not in the cheating itself?

 

look I don't care, but if your argument is mlb makes money, therefore they shouldn't be investigated, that isn't much of an argument

 

most, if not all, of the mlb players mentioned in the Mitchell report DID test NEGATIVE....they passed the damn tests. They NEVER tested positive for anything that was being tested for...ever!

The shame of all of this.....or positive thing depending on which side of the fence u are one....is that once this CBA expires, you may in fact see another strike...why on earth would the players agree to any kind of testing if, 5 years down the line, no one will believe the negative test results anyway...and they will be called on to prove their innocence in court despite the tests.

 

My argument is that there isn't a lot of outrage among most baseball fans and MLB's high revenues are evidence of that. If fans were really outraged, would they be going to the ballpark in these numbers? No.

I don't think Congress should be investigating the MLB because there are so many much more important things to be investigated or taken care of, IMO. MLB's revenues have nothing to do with that.

 

the outrage is more on the players, if you're going to sit here and argue that fans aren't outraged by barry bonds, rafeal palmerio, mark mcguire after his congressional appearance, etc. I don't know what world you're living in

I agree, but you're the one who keeps mixing the talk of baseball revenues. that has nothing to do with it. also, baseball revenues went up with the influx of new ballparks. so I would argue that it has a lot more to do than with the popularity of the game. just look at houston. you think the astros last season who sucked are any more poplar than the eighties sucking astros or is minute maid more popular than the dome.

 

The point is only that if people were so outraged, they wouldn't keep showing up in record numbers. You wouldn't have revenues at record highs. Despite all of this crap that's gone on, baseball is doing very well. If people were truly outraged they'd express that with their pocketbooks. I think people like to b**** on sports radio...but when it comes down to it, few really care all that much.

 

again, we're back to congress shouldn't investigate because baseball is popular?