More Christian Taliban type of stuff.... Not surprising someone who thinks "masks are child abuse" would also side with DeSantis/religious right. Christian Taliban > woke indoctrination
So the party that long complained about frivolous lawsuits and championed Tort Reform is now for more frivolous lawsuits.
That is not true. You just keep making up stuff. Lovely how you demonize people who simply have a different opinion from you on something. Matter of fact, where real discrimination against gay people (like throwing them off of roofs) is actually happening (Iran, Saudi Arabia, other Muslim countries), I have been pointing that out for a while and how it is an awful problem for the world. That's where you and others from the left prefer to turn a blind eye and call that "Islamophobia" and instead direct your fake outrage against a law that is meant to strengthen parental rights, in Florida. Now, the @deb4rockets argument "but but he doesn't live there" applies in both cases (Florida or Muslim world) to most of you guys (except @bobrek and a few more posters). So why are you so much more outraged over a law that strengthens parental rights but don't bat an eyelid over actual abuse and discrimination of gays happening at scale in the world, based on a specific ideology? I'll tell you why: Because you follow narratives the partisan media sources you consume provide you with. If you think about it objectively and from a global perspective, this law isn't close to being discrimination. What's happening in many - mostly Muslim, but not only - countries in the world is awful discrimination and persecution of gays. That's what should make you mad.
Long angry post telling me that your hatred of Muslims outweighs your dislike or allowance of discrimination of gay people. Sine this thread isn't about Muslims but about desantis' anti-gay legislation (that you already have said you support), seems you would be better off posting in a anti-Muslim thread than here, since I don't believe anyone in this thread has argued in favor of any religion throwing people off roofs. Again, if the law simply was written specifically to "strengthen parents rights" it would be one thing. But again, the wording both covertly and overtly was written to discriminate against gay people. I even highlighted the wording in the draft you posted here. Others have also posted what effect it will have on gay people. But since (1) you really don't care if it discriminates against gays or (2) you actually support its discrimination against gay people, you attempt to deflect and steer the conversations into another area that your hatred for people exists. And blame "partisan media sources". And blame having your "different opinion" demonized (after all... people that support prejudice against any minority are only expressing "a different opinion").
How dare you equate the two! I sure as hell don't turn a blind eye to the sick and twisted rulers of many other countries. I don't approve of countries where women, gays, other religions, and people that are different are discriminated against and tortured. You know how much wheeling and dealing Trump does with those type leaders for his hotels and money ventures? It's those same rulers who allow that barbaric stuff to happen and their laws or lack of justice for all. You can't call out all the people forced to live under the laws. Do you know how horrifying and sad it is to see people carrying signs around a funeral saying gays to to hell, etc...at a funeral of some guy that was beat or dragged to death for being gay? My heart goes out to parents who see these horrible people doing that legally in their time of mourning. Stuff like that happens here. Yes, here! There are tons of stories I could tell. Ask anyone who fears for their life being pulled over by a cop in backwoods towns in "white" country, when they are black. I've heard plenty of stories from shipmates in the Navy. They were good people, but had fears I never experienced when it came to police or hate groups like the KKK. They opened my eyes to stuff I never experienced growing up. I met thousands of people from all over the country and have heard plenty of stories that tore at my heart. I call out laws and politicians while you call out "the leftists", the "woke", etc. and generalize people who don't like discrimination or unequal treatment and say "woke" like it's a bad thing. You are the one who demonizes the people, and ignores the fact that many politicians turn a blind eye to the hate they spew on certain groups. There are worse countries, and there are better countries than us when it comes to equality and acceptance. We can do better. You certainly are no expert on this country. You haven't lived it. You haven't seen it personally and daily, so quit trying to act like you know it all. Women, people of color, LGBTQ, Muslims, Jews, Catholics, non-believers, and all cultures should be treated without discrimination, with equality, and with the same unbiased justice system. We have made much progress, but have a long way to go. As long as laws are made that call out a certain group as inferior, deviant, or immoral, then I will stand for that group, as long as they are not directing hate or violence upon others. People are people, and everyone is different. Time to stop judging people for color, religion, or anything else that is different. People should feel free to live their life free from judgement or harm, and be accepted if they don't harm anyone else. Hate the hate, not the body people were born with. The laws should protect us all from discrimination of hate, left or right, black or white, man or woman. The laws shouldn't be directed towards any group other than hate groups. They should be deemed terrorist groups in my eyes, if their intentions are to physically harm anyone who their hate is directed towards. The facts is that nearly 670 anti-LGBTQ bills have been filed since 2018, according to an NBC News analysis of data from the American Civil Liberties Union and LGBTQ advocacy group Freedom for All Americans. This is what disturbs me. Not hate groups, but a group of people being judged and discriminated upon by bigots and others who don't understand they are born that way, and want to take their freedoms away. By the way, domestic terrorists are a bigger threat than Muslim terrorists. Crazy people killing others for their own holier than thou purpose, or hate of certain groups comes in all colors across our own country. Driving people down, rampage shootings, beatings, and hate spewing can get really ugly here. Hate is hate, and it's a sick and dangerous thing.
The law is intentionally vague in order to allow abuse and intended to scare people to hide their identity as gay as a means to satisfy their base - that's it. It has nothing to do with parental rights and everything to do with sticking it to the gays. It's awfully unconstitutional but with a radically right supreme court, hey, anything goes. It's all based on a myth that being gay is something you pick up by seeing other gay people, when science has shown that gays have genetic and neurological differences that prove it's not something you pick up in the classroom. DeSantis knows this as much as he knows the vaccine is safe and good enough for him and his family. It's all BS, and those who support this are either blind-fully or willfully ignorant.
Lots of people get media attention .. and lose. Hillary Clinton was talked about way more than Obama in 2008. Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz got plenty of attention in 2016. Joe Biden certainly wasn't the most talked about candidate in 2020. Trump was elected because people downplayed Trump's issues with the whole "both parties do it!" nonsense and acted as though they were the same. Combine that with his ability to play towards racial and other societial wedge issues and the GOP's utter cowardice, and you get Trump. Interestingly, people still try to downplay their own roles in his election and continue to play the "both parties are the same" card. And now it's expanded to "Russia and the US are just as equally bad too!"
I believe you are misconstruing the saying "...more in common than different." Obama was a respected president. We have not had a respected presidential candidate in the general election since. The Republicans have not had a respected president since Bush I. I will not be heading to the booth in 2024 unless DeSantis is on the ticket. This of course can change if DeSantis goes full degen. Or if the Democrats can put up a decent candidate in the next 30 months. It doesnt look promising TBH.
The vague part is the scary part. What if a child feels different, is bullied, or has parents who gay bash themselves. What if they are made to feel something is wrong with them and are contemplating suicide. If they can't speak openly and honestly with a counselor, who can they turn to if they can't speak openly with their parents? If a counselor fears breaking the law or getting sued by parents by speaking with this child, then it is causing even more harm. That is the problem with this law. It hurts the children who are being discriminated against in the first place for the DNA they were born with. They can't help how they feel, and their feelings matter. Suicide is a scary thing, and LGBTQ children are at high risk of bullying if they aren't loved and accepted, and other children aren't expected or taught to accept them for who they are.
I would encourage you to head to the booth in 2024. While I hope you don't vote for DeSantis given how much he puts pandering to his base above the values he claims to hold so dearly, at the very least you can vote for a third party candidate or write in yourself.
This law does discriminate against gay people whether you like it or not. Already there are stories about gay teachers who have been targeted by parents and now wonder if they can teach in Florida. That's what you are supporting whether you like it or not. The people that ignore the cries of the discriminated are always on the wrong side of history. Here you are hearing from a community that is telling you this is wrong, that this hurts them and your reply is 'shut up, no it doesn't, move along'. You can go on and on about Muslims but what you fail to realize that is what we are fighting against right now. Religious extremism in its infant state. You think this stops at this bill? Already we have GOP reps suggesting to get rid of contraception, one in MS talking about killing trans supporters, today or yesterday Boebert saying you shouldn't come out until you are 21... this is just beginning and it only advances if 'centrists' and 'moderates' allow it to. Keep allowing it and soon we'll be throwing gay people off of roofs too.
Yeah.... that was a really weird line. I guess all the blacks who survived being drug behind cars, beaten, etc. weren't really discriminated against because they lived.
Exactly! The new bills are flying before the paint dries. There are still around 6% of Americans who believe that interracial marriages should be illegal. Imagine that? Trying to purify their own race or what? That is a lot of people wanting to keep their race pure from a drop of blood of other skin colors.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions It's certainly more discrimination than not allowing teachers to talk to preschoolers about their sexual preferences. Yet, some of you guys are much more triggered and outraged by the latter.
Discrimination is wrong. To make light of it by your snarky remarks calling people triggered or outraged over parts of a bill doesn't change the fact that discrimination is wrong, and shouldn't be made legal in a bill.
There must be some logical fallacy page on rationalwiki for trying to divert attention to stuff going on in a different country when someone complains about stuff going on in their own country.
