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Congratulations to Gov DeSantis

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Jul 31, 2021.

  1. Commodore

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    I just listened to an interview with DeSantis and he again emphasized that he is working well with the Federal government and they Florida has gotten what it’s asked for to deal with this storm. He also said that claims that you shouldn’t evacuate because FEMA might not let you back and / or take your property are false.

    While I have been and still am very critical of DeSantis for a lot of reasons in general I think he’s done a good job with natural
    Disasters. He’s shown a pragmatic and non ideological approach to this and other storms which is exactly what the people of Florida need right now.
     
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    He talks out both sides of his mouth. He gave a press conference recently where he tried to rip into the Biden Administration.
     
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    Didn't he spend the last week refusing to take calls from the (real) Administration ?

    In fact it was all over the news. And then he pitched a big fit about it, because that is what he does, when he is not administering

    Other things he was in the news for this week (that he did have time for)


    Non ideological approach is maybe even dumber than you calling him a "capable administrator" (with no ability to define 'capable' 'adminstrate' and no first hand knowledge of either).

    Like, putting aside all of the obvious politics - just pointing to somebody who sits very briefly and very nominally nominally atop a pre existing, huge institution as one of many huge interlocking institutions as part of a holistic system and saying "wow that man, right there, one tiny agent amongst millions, is not freakishly arguing that people should inject bleach in public, he must be a, dare I say, capable administrator," is obviously a cognitive fallacy.

    It's just a dumb lizard brain take - man in vest look concerned on TV - he must be good administrator me think!

    I don't even know what a good administrator is. I had an admin assistant a million years ago I guess she was ok at typing things and answering the phone but Im gonna say capable administrator why not.

    Any dip **** elected governor of any state can pass this low bar you left underground - probably only Trump is the one person who would not be deemed a "capable administrator" by you. (This is accurate)

    Frankly we have only one instance of Ron DeSantis doing original administration+ and it's all basically Nazi ****, like letting racist nutjobs like Rufo destroy NCUSF, or his personal election Police doing horrible brown shirt stuff.

    Unlike disaster response, which is a playbook someone else wrote, that stuff is his capable administrator playbook, as it did not exist until his pudding fingered self inflicted us.
     
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    Another unhinged, hateful rant (I didn't read) by an unemployed ambulance chaser - while Governor DeSantis is working hard to help Floridians.
     
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    Actually I do have first hand experience with disaster response and recovery and in previous discussions defined clearly what a capable administrator is. If I recall you asked a lot of questions which I answered but either refused to accept the answers or moved the goalposts.

    As stated I do and will criticized DeSantis for a lot of things but he is speaking out agains false claims and is working well with the federal government. The Biden administration is agreeing with that.

    the most important thing though is that with disasters like this we need all levels of government to work together. Finger pointing and political blame games aren’t going to help anyone. DeSantis for all of his bluster and ideology is putting that aside to work closely with political opponents to address this disaster.

    Im not going to criticize him for that and that is something we should expect and uphold from our leaders.
     
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    FYI this was the interview with DeSantis I was referencing.

    My opinion on DeSantis’ disaster response though isn’t based on this interview alone.
     
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    Yeah it's not about the time you volunteered at the Twin Cities Red Cross - anyway let's dig into your capable administration deal again

    Did Donald Trump capably administer "Operation Warp Speed' in 2020? Not a rhetorical question
     
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    The absolute worst case scenario if they were committing fraud is that it is put on the ballot for voters to vote for. If they are going around to people's houses and asking them and they are confirming they indeed signed. They clearly aren't dead people. Honestly, it sounds like total BS from DeSantis. With a topic as big as abortion, a well organized petition is not going to have trouble finding the 891,523 signatures needed out of nearly 14M registered voters. The number of validated signatures is over 100K more than the required amount.

    They should absolutely charge and prosecute anyone for fraud, but I don't think I can't fathom it being such a high priority as to be sending police officers door to door.
     
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    Quite a bit more than that.
    I’ve said before I give him credit for operation warp speed and helping to push funding and get private and government to cooperate on that.
    He wasn’t though as involved with it as DeSantis or any governor would be with a natural disaster like a hurricane so his role in that isn’t comparable.
     
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    So you're saying he didn't administrate Operation Warp Speed capably?
     
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    DeSantis is an anti-free speech authoritarian who uses state power to target media outlets, political rivals, private businesses, and individuals outside of his party.
     
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    DeSantis is the best governor in the USA.
     
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    I’m saying his role with Operation War Speed wasn’t the same as DeSantis or any governor with a hurricane.
     
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    I’ll say again that I disagree with DeSantis on most things and don’t think he’s a good governor. I think he’s too divisive and more interesting in pushing culture wars.

    His response to Hurricanes though has been to preposition and resources. To work closely with the Federal government including President Biden, and to also counter false information. That is what we should expect a governor to do. We’ve seen though cases of governors not responding to disasters well. Consider Abbott’s response to the freeze out.

    In a major disaster is one of those times we should set partisanship aside and whatever opinion I might have on DeSantis’ other policies I recognize that he is doing the right thing when it comes to hurricane response.
     
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    I think you're absolutely wrong - Operation Warp Speed' was funded by Congress but otherwise was a coordinated project among cabinet level agencies. Trump and later Biden sat stop that pyramid.

    It was quite literally an Executive Administration project from the very beginning, requiring quite a bit of capable administration - at least in terms of interagency coordination.

    How is this qualitatively different from Florida's disaster recovery interagency relationship? Again you posit yourself having unique expertise here in the administrative governance world so I expect some real answers rather than just looking it up on Wikipedia (which is what I just did)


    Also can you just answer the question - was Warp Speed' capably administered by the President in your judgment?
     
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    That means you are right @rocketsjudoka
     
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    By the time Biden was president the vaccines had already been developed. I give Biden credit for getting the vaccine distributed but not for the development which was done under the prior administration.
    Operation Warp speed was a months long endeavor that while very large did involve a limited number of people with very specific knowledge. As president the day to day involvement with that would be very limited to making sure proper funding was available and proper communication at the highest levels.

    A Hurricane, large fire, freeze out, etc. is a much shorter term situation but requires more intense involvement as many more people of all skill level. From specialized skills like engineers to restore power to people with no training to hand out water and food. It takes hour by hour involvement of the executive.

    the difference is like the Manhattan project versus D-Day. In both cases it took leadership from on high and administration but they aren’t the same.

    Anyway I answered your question that I did give credit to Trump for operation Warp Speed. Is said that back when it happened and in a few post above.
     

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