1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Congratulations to Gov DeSantis

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Jul 31, 2021.

  1. Amiga

    Amiga Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    25,040
    Likes Received:
    23,300
    read thread to understand

     
    JayGoogle likes this.
  2. Amiga

    Amiga Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    25,040
    Likes Received:
    23,300
    Nichols doesn't go here often. He's comparing DeSantis new bill to the old Soviet.

     
    JayGoogle and FranchiseBlade like this.
  3. Andre0087

    Andre0087 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    9,987
    Likes Received:
    13,638
    US Supreme Court has consistently sided against banning books

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — The U.S. Supreme Court has stood fast against prohibiting free speech at schools since 1969, extending that idea to the prohibition of banning books in 1982.

    In 1969’s Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District, the court ruled that neither students nor teachers "shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate."

    In case you missed it:Conservative group trying to ban 16 books from Polk Schools, calling them pornographic

    In 1982’s, Board of Education, Island Trees Union Free School District No. 26 v. Pico, a group challenged a local school board's removal from the school library of 11 books, including Kurt Vonnegut’s “Slaughterhouse Five,” “Best Short Stories by Negro Writers,” edited by Langston Hughes, and “Go Ask Alice” by an anonymous writer.

    The School Board called the books "anti-American, anti-Christian, antiSemtic, and just plain filthy."

    Literature or p*rnography? National effort to label school library books as p*rnography takes root in Polk

    Justice William Brennan wrote for the majority that "local school boards may not remove books from school library shelves simply because they dislike the ideas contained in those books and seek by their removal to ‘prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion.’ Such purposes stand inescapably condemned by our precedents.”

    Florida Citizens Alliance is pinning its argument to remove the books on State Statutes 847.001 and 847.012.

    See the group's specific complaints here.

    Pulled from shelves:Why Polk schools are treating these 16 books differently than a typical complaint

    Invisible souls:Toni Morrison experts explain how her most wrenching work was important

    Florida Constitution and state statutes
    The group is pinning its arguments on the Florida Constitution and state statutes. They say books that include homosexual behavior violate Section 27 of the Florida Constitution:




      • Marriage defined - Inasmuch as marriage is the legal union of only one man and one woman as husband and wife, no other legal union is treated as marriage or the substantial equivalent thereof shall be valid or recognized.
    (Editor's note: this was declared unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court. It remains in the Florida Constitution.)

    According to Florida State Statute 847.001, “obscene” is defined as material which:




      • “The average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest;
      • Depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct as specifically defined herein; and,
      • Taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.”
    Florida State Statute 847.012 forbids knowingly selling, renting, or loaning for money any obscene material that could be harmful to children, including:




      • “Any picture, photograph, drawing, sculpture, motion picture film, videocassette, or similar visual representation or image of a person or portion of the human body which depicts nudity or sexual conduct, sexual excitement, sexual battery, bestiality, or sadomasochistic abuse and which is harmful to minors; or,
      • "Any book, pamphlet, magazine, printed matter however reproduced, or sound recording that contains any matter (that is) explicit and detailed verbal descriptions or narrative accounts of sexual excitement, or sexual conduct and that is harmful to minors.”
      • "In addition, adults “may not knowingly distribute to a minor on school property, or post on school property, any material that is harmful to children."
    But that statute very clearly states that educational materials are exempt.

    “This subsection does not apply to the distribution or posting of school-approved instructional materials that by design serve as a major tool for assisting in the instruction of a subject or course by school officers, instructional personnel, administrative personnel, school volunteers, educational support employees, or managers,” the statute reads.

    Violating these statutes is a third-degree felony.

    “The several sheriffs and state attorneys shall vigorously enforce this section within their respective jurisdictions,” the statute reads.

    Polk County Sheriff Judd said he has met with CCDF-USA officials, just as he would meet with any concerned person on any topic.

    "I met with representatives from CCDF that told me of their concern about the obscene nature of book publications in the library that were accessible to children,” said Judd, who has worked throughout his career to rid Polk County of strip clubs and sex shops that sell pornographic material. He also routinely arrests people who solicit undercover deputies pretending to be minors. “And they left me material to review and I directed them to the superintendent and the school board to address the issue.”

    As part of Judd's regular meetings with State Attorney Brian Haas, the pair have discussed the issue.

    “The Polk County School Board has a process for this issue and that process needs to run its course,” said Jacob Orr, the spokesman for the State Attorney’s Office. “As always, no decision should be made until all information is known and the appropriate laws are applied.”

    Ledger reporter Kimberly C. Moore can be reached at kmoore@theledger.com or 863-802-7514. Follow her on Twitter at @KMooreTheLedger.

    https://www.theledger.com/story/new...-live-u-s-supreme-court-precedent/6656991001/
     
    JayGoogle likes this.
  4. JayGoogle

    JayGoogle Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2007
    Messages:
    52,182
    Likes Received:
    44,912
    I'm actually happy that Desantis is such a ***** and won't fight back against Trump because he's easily a lot more dangerous than Trump.

    If Trump wins the nomination I'm confident even Biden could beat him again at age 127 and if Trump wins the presidency I'm confident that every one will be completely ready for the dumb blatant power grabs he'll attempt.

    Desantis is a lot more clever, obviously. I don't know if he wants to be a dictator, like Trump would happily embrace that, but I do know he wants to bring this counter closer to a theocracy.
     
    BigShasta, IBTL and ROCKSS like this.
  5. astros123

    astros123 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2013
    Messages:
    13,526
    Likes Received:
    10,944
  6. Xopher

    Xopher Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2017
    Messages:
    5,462
    Likes Received:
    7,451
    DeSantis is just pissed librarians recommended the woke version of Huck Finn calling Jim a slave instead of the original calling him the n-word.
     
  7. Reeko

    Reeko Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    52,251
    Likes Received:
    143,723
    dude is a straight up facist
     
  8. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,280
  9. Amiga

    Amiga Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    25,040
    Likes Received:
    23,300
    Yea, it’s getting harder and harder to not be on this boat

     
  10. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    24,780
    Likes Received:
    31,910
    VooDooPope likes this.
  11. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,280
  12. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    58,167
    Likes Received:
    48,333
    Many in the Right have openly expressed their fondness for Putin because of his stances on social issues.
     
    Nook and Ottomaton like this.
  13. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    24,780
    Likes Received:
    31,910
    Well Putin lashed out at the West and LGBT rights, calling them "pure Satanism". I can see how that fits the far right stance. I feel so sorry for the kids born into those families. Can you imagine being a gay kid knowing your parents feel that way about you? It's so sad. The fear they go through is so unnecessary. Love and acceptance is always better than hate.
     
    VooDooPope likes this.
  14. Xopher

    Xopher Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2017
    Messages:
    5,462
    Likes Received:
    7,451
    Of course the bill doesnt come from DeSantis. You can be excused for not knowing this since you are a German CEO attorney, but here in the United States, governors cannot introduce bills. Now the governor can talk to a congressperson about introducing a bill. Do you know DeSantis didn't do this? Do you know Ron? Do you know Senator Brodeur? Are you privy to their conversations? If so what other enlightening tidbits can you provide for us? Please we are all waiting with bated breath.
     
  15. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,280
    Then why is the headline "DeSantis acting like Putin"?
     
  16. Amiga

    Amiga Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    25,040
    Likes Received:
    23,300
    Has DeSantis spoken out against the bill?

    Although I can picture it becoming Florida's law, I doubt it would survive a court ruling.
     
  17. Xopher

    Xopher Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2017
    Messages:
    5,462
    Likes Received:
    7,451
    You quote my first sentence not the rest of the post. The bill cannot come from DeSantis because DeSantis cannot introduce a bill. Now DeSantis could have asked the Senator to introduce the bill. He probably did or DeSantis was at least consulted about it. If he wasn't then why hasn't he come out against it? He is acting like Putin because he hasn't come out and said "This bill is absolutely ridiculous. If it passes Congress and makes it to my desk I will not sign it."
     
  18. Rileydog

    Rileydog Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2002
    Messages:
    5,937
    Likes Received:
    6,923
    when a Republican bill is plainly out of Putin’s playbook, and your response isn’t to denounce it, but rather to soft peddle a “I don’t think it will survive” (but if it does I’m totally ok with it because it’s my team and Lord Desantis is our only hope…)
     
    deb4rockets and BigShasta like this.
  19. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2003
    Messages:
    36,794
    Likes Received:
    35,636
    FIFY. Let's call it what it is. :)
     
  20. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,280
    I'm not a Republican. If I remember correctly, you are? (or were?)
     

Share This Page