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Congratulations to Gov DeSantis

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Jul 31, 2021.

  1. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    I disagree with the premise of the article, in that we don't know what DeSantis actually thinks about all these social issues. But he's a smart politician, and he knows he can nail down the base by playing these games, winning praise from ATW and tinthey (gender neutral version, just for ... them). I would bet he doesn't give two ***** about wokeness, or maybe he does, but either way his aim is further power, as per most politicians. He would drop it like a hot potato if it helped him win elections, and he may pivot away from it after he wins the national GOP primary.
     
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    Ron DeSantis proposes policy permanently banning Covid-19 vaccine and mask requirements and other pandemic mitigation measures in Florida | CNN Politics


    DeSantis proposes policy permanently banning Covid-19 vaccine and mask requirements and other pandemic mitigation measures in Florida
    By Chris Boyette, CNN
    Published 7:14 AM EST, Wed January 18, 2023

    CNN —
    Florida Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis on Tuesday announced a policy proposal banning many pandemic mitigation efforts involving mask mandates and vaccine requirements in the state.

    The proposal would permanently prohibit Covid-19 vaccine passports in Florida, prohibit Florida schools from instituting Covid-19 vaccine or mask requirements, forbid businesses in the state from requiring masks and bar “employers from hiring or firing based on mRNA jabs.”

    “When the world lost its mind, Florida was a refuge of sanity, serving strongly as freedom’s linchpin,” DeSantis said in a news release. “These measures will ensure Florida remains this way and will provide landmark protections for free speech for medical practitioners.”

    DeSantis has been an outspoken critic of most Covid-19 pandemic mitigation measures. In December, he asked the Florida Supreme Court to approve an investigation of “any and all wrongdoing in Florida with respect to Covid-19 vaccines.”

    In the petition filed with the court, the Republican governor requested the empaneling of a grand jury to investigate a broad group of entities associated with the development, distribution and promotion of the vaccines, including pharmaceutical manufacturers and their executive officers, as well as medical associations.

    The GOP governor signed legislation in 2021 that imposed fines on businesses and hospitals that required inoculation against Covid-19 without exemptions or alternatives.

    The government disallowing businesses from requiring use of masks seems like clear-cut overreach to me.
     
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    Vox has become a leftist propaganda medium.
     
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    Great job by DeSantis.
     
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    It provides a good rundown of the constitutional arguments against the recent maneuvers from DeSantis. The author seems qualified to discuss this.

    One can speculate about his inner motivations, but I don't think that is really the point of the article.
     
  6. AroundTheWorld

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    DeSantis is making the right call by fighting mask and vaccine mandates. They are ridiculous. He is fighting for freedom.
     
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    Fighting against a private business's decision to require masks is "fighting for freedom"? Do you or do you not have the "freedom" to not use that business if you don't like their mask requirement?
     
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    If a private business demanded that everyone shows up naked, the government can regulate as well that that is out of bounds.

    You only like private businesses' freedom if what they do actually restricts individuals' freedom and that suits your authoritarian agenda.

    You leftists were all using the "private business" argument when Twitter was censoring everyone who wasn't a leftist - now you are all whining and crying that the government should go after Musk. lol
     
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    "Leftist" Cato institute:

    The Ambiguous Science on Masks | Cato Institute

    Second, policymakers should be skeptical of calls for government to override private choices made by individuals and by businesses and other organizations either to mask or not mask. Some people may look at the evidence and believe masking is worthwhile; others may not. (And keep in mind, masks have resource, environmental, social, and financial costs.) The unsettled science of masking does not appear to justify government’s overriding those private choices.​
     
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    So what if he overreaches - he is pushing back the pendulum.
     
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    Defamation? LOL, fair enough.

    That's pretty cool coming from a guy that loves to spread some of the most mindless conspiracy theories. But if there is some smoke, go for it. It's the D&D after all. The thing is you judge how reliable that smoke is and go from there. Pelosi's gay love fest?

    Like Trump's fans, I very much doubt DeSantis's loyal fans will ever care about his corruption and abuses. DeSantis 1A supporters didn't care that DeSantis silenced the "woke" businesses. Small gov supporters didn't care that DeSantis ban books and limit what Teachers can do. They didn't care that DeSantis used Florida's fund to fly migrants from TX to New England and funneled that money to a company that contributed to his allies. They have no problem with DeSantis's refusal to release details of the contract it awards to that company, why it was selected, and if even multiple bids were solicited. Didn't you say No Opinion or Need More Juice when @bobrek asked your thought about some of this? Cool for a guy that is quick and mucho on opinions.
     
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  12. durvasa

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    Uh huh.
     
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    Is it still not okay to call you a fascist? Or are you accepting that label more now?
     
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    It's very necessary - the Biden administration is even trying to re-introduce mask mandates on airplanes, and using taxpayer money to fight that cause in court. In 2023.
     
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    This isn't a cause you think is worthy of fighting for. This isn't what turns governments into authoritarian regimes.

    It's usually the side that wants to fableize our national history and ignore economic system trends that are failing the middle and poor class that is more likely to turn authoritarian because there actually is precedent of that mold of authoritarianism forming. ..there really isn't precedent of fascist or authoritarian regimes forming from including pandemic restrictions.
     
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    Thankfully, you do not get to determine the causes I care about.
     
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    It's necessary for the state government to take away freedom from private businesses in order to prevent their freedom from being taken away by the federal government?
     
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    I know. I'm just expressing my opinion that the causes you fight for are nothing more than what we call "reactionary politics". As in you have no clear policy positions except "what does the left and liberals believe in? Ya the opposite of that".

    I don't know how that came the be for you? Leftist blue hair girl denied her p***y to you or something.
     
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    It's politics. Sometimes, it's about making a point.

    The fact that you and other sheep think that mask mandates ever made sense or are "normal" in 2023 is an example of mass formation psychosis.
     
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    I think the psychosis is entirely ignoring historical precedent and believing that mask mandates is a more viable road to authorarianism than polticians using culture wars to express their policy positions and restrict freedoms like what can be taught based on said culture wars.

    Ya I'm sorry ATW, it's a near 100% fg percentage when it comes to leaders who mythologize national history and prevent educators from having introspective historical classes who turn towards authoritarianism.
     

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