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[Congratulations] Jair Bolsonaro Wins Brazilian Presidency

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Cohete Rojo, Oct 28, 2018.

  1. Nook

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    Concerning the Amazon.

    We don't own the Amazon...... and yes, he is likely to exploit the Amazon and it will bring jobs, and it will bring more prosperity to the people of Brazil for awhile.... and if the economy improves (and it likely will) then he will likely remain in power and be able to position himself as the supreme authority in Brazil.

    The reality is that the oppression of minorities and the culling of resources will not matter if he is able to decrease crime and improve the short term standard of living.
     
  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Brazil's social problems result from their economic problems

    When the government money is flowing people dont care who benefits. When it tightens people start watching who is benefiting
     
  3. Nook

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    Brazil has a lot of problems....... there is no easy fix to having a very large population of poor people that are poorly educated and have limited financial opportunities. At the local levels the police force is compromised and gangs often times control the comings and goings within the favelas.

    The social and economic problems are very hard to separate.
     
  4. JayGoogle

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    You are right, we don't own the Amazon.

    The issue is though, the elimination of the Amazon affects everyone else. People in Europe, America, Canada, China, etc etc, it affects the world.

    I'm not disagreeing with you about who owns the rainforest, Brazil does, and I agree that he's likely going to sell chopping it down to boost their economy. A short-term fix that's going to create a lot of long-term issues for the planet...or rather, for the species living on the planet. We don't live without trees.

    I'm just saying that it's pretty vital to the planet's ecosystem. It actually generates rain for farmers in Texas, it generates a lot of rain for people in the Americas, and it's like a domino effect. Without it, less rain, less food, and more desperate people that are willing to put their trust in crazier people.
     
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  5. Nook

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    I'm not arguing with you. I agree, I just don't think much can be done to stop it from happening.
     
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  6. Cohete Rojo

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    Bolsonaro has his faults — politicians are people, too — but his positives greatly outweigh those negatives.

    Brazil is a country whose former president is in jail in corruption charges, whose previously elected president was impeached and removed from office, and has ridiculous levels of violence.

    They need Bolsonaro.
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    Yes, they need a bigoted violent leader to help them reform after the corruption of the previous president.
     
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    One of my Brazilian friends felt like he was the least terrible out of the candidates but he expects another assassination attempt on him.
     
  9. Buck Turgidson

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    I'm sure you and glynch both have a deep interest in South American politics. Yall would never just play political games, never. Good on you both.
     
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    MBGA! Just like with Trump the people want change. What were the alternatives? What do they have to lose?
     
  11. JayGoogle

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    Did you see the list of things he's said?

    Seriously, when yall actively root for these people it makes you seem crazy.

    If this guy 5 years from now has become a genocidal maniac you can't say you haven't been warned. He's praised Pinochet of all people. This is a man again that said minorities need to bow down or disappear. That's what people have to lose, their lives.

    What's more alarming to me is seeing the American right actively cheer for this guy and claim he's not far right.
     
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    I see trade to bigly increase between our countries
     
  13. Nook

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    He is in the process of an effort to double the top court in Brazil so that he can have complete control of the government.

    He likely either ends up assassinated or a dictator.

    He is very anti native minorities which means a lot of people will be coming for his head. Right now he is playing these factions against one another.... that won’t last forever so he will need to have firm control of the military and courts by then.
     
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    He did compliment her.
     
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    Near term, I would expect more like attempts on his opponents. He's pretty much said as much. A lot of Brazilians that I know are terrified.

    Historically, every time humans say "oh, he'll tone down his rhetoric once he's elected -- that was just a show!" .... they are totally wrong. The most acceptable rhetoric and behavior happens when someone is trying to get elected.
     
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    I didn't know much about him or the political state of Brazil but from what I read on twitter last night I sense a lot of anger from American leftists.
     
  18. HTM

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    Seems like some populations in this world prefer a strong-man.

    Look at Russia and Putin... the Russian people understand that Putin is a strong-man who would never allow real challenges to his authority.

    They don’t care. They love him. He is hugely popular. They by and large are happy with the knowledge Putin is their dictator.

    Now, I don’t know if that’s the case with Brazilians, but it could be. They could have decided, “Yea he will be a strong-man and probably take over but f&&k it I prefer that over what “representative government” got us.”

    Interesting parallels between relatively modern Russia and Brazil now that I think about it.

    Brazil:

    Military Dictatorship —> crap Democracy—> potentially new Dictator

    Russia:

    Soviet Union —> crap Democracy—> Dictator (albeit hugely popular Dictator)
     
  19. malakas

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    Time for the bill to come and the genocider to pay for his crimes

    He has the blood of hundreds of thousands of people in his hands, a mass murderer. Brazilians are now demanding justice.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ilians-march-to-demand-bolsonaros-impeachment

    Tens of thousands of Brazilians march to demand Bolsonaro’s impeachment
    Protests in over 200 cities and towns in Brazil sparked by president’s handling of the Covid pandemic

    Tens of thousands of protesters have poured on to the streets of Brazil’s largest cities to demand the impeachment of President Jair Bolsonaro over his catastrophic response to a coronavirus pandemic that has claimed nearly half a million Brazilian lives.

    Bolsonaro has defended his response to the pandemic, claiming his dogged opposition to lockdown is designed to project Brazilian livelihoods and jobs. But Carvalho said that by allowing the uncontrolled spread of the virus – and failing to acquire sufficient vaccines – Bolsonaro had destroyed the economy, as well as lives. “Today the Brazilian people have a choice between dying from the virus or of hunger,” she said.

    Saturday’s demonstrations – which also took place in major cities including São Paulo, Belo Horizonte, Recife and the capital Brasília, as well as scores of smaller towns – come with Bolsonaro at arguably his lowest ebb since he took office in January 2019.

    Polls suggest growing anger at the rightwing populist’s handling of Covid, with 57% of the population now backing his impeachment. A congressional inquiry is currently dissecting Bolsonaro’s calamitous response to the public health crisis with damaging revelations about his government’s conduct being broadcast each night on the news.

    Bolsonaro appears particularly rattled by the reemergence of his political rival Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, the former leftist president who looks poised to challenge him for the presidency in next year’s election. In a recent interview with the Guardian Lula, whose political rights were recently restored, said he had no doubt the Brazilian people would “free themselves” from Bolsonaro in 2022. “He could have avoided half of these deaths,” Lula said of Bolsonaro’s reaction to Covid.
     
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    What do you (and or your wife) think of Lula?
     

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