Old Man Rock's player evaluation skills are from the DaDakota/Rockets Dynasty school, including such golden oldie hits as V-Span Is a STAR!, Steve Novak is Bob Petit Redux, and my favorite, Mistake of the Century: Letting Eddie Griffin Go - so I would take his (thankfully) sporadic rants with a grain of LOLZ ORLY STFU
I think you described Morey pretty accurately. And I agree with you almost completely. Which is why I am very happy we have Morey as our GM.
Good analogy, OMR, but I still don't think (based on reading many of your posts on this board over the last several years, where you espouse your basketball knowledge) you are a better visual talent evaluator than Daryl Morey, and I do find it comical for you the state otherwise, especially based on Morey's well-above-average track record (among PROFESSIONAL NBA general managers) since taking the reigns as the Rockets' GM. Sorry if that offends you. Now you're just back-tracking. This statement is patently FALSE. I responded to a post in which you explicitly said that YOU (being you, Old Man Rock, not Adelman) were a better visual evaluator of basketball talent than Daryl Morey. You honestly sound just like DD right here, trying to cover your tracks by asserting that you wrote something other than what you actually wrote, even when the meaning of your original post was quite plain to see. But if you want to all-of-a-sudden change the argument to compare Adelman's evaluation skills with Morey, then fine. It is quite likely that Adelman is the better evaluator of talent. Obviously, he can coach the hell out of players. I can't honestly say for certain that Adelman would make a better scout than Morey, but he probably would. Great. Some completely unrelated debate is settled. I realize you're kidding (sort of), but I go out of my way to mention when I screw up. Go ask HMMHMMM how many times he has corrected me and I have quickly acknowledged my error. I by no means "know it all" and have never asserted as much on this BBS. Nor have I ever used my profession to bolster any of my opinions. It was guys like Clutch and leebigez who first said anything about me being an attorney in the first place, not me. Yes, I read Larry Coon. Yes, anyone who thoroughly reads Larry Coon's FAQs and some additional materials and can absorb all (or the vast majority) of that material into their brains can become an amateur capologist like me, aelliott or NIKEStrad. No reason to hate, man. My feelings aren't hurt (mostly).
Hahaha! If it isn't the one and only SAM FISHDICK. The mistake of the century I said was firing rudy and replacing him with Van Gundy. Ouch I know that hurt you. Never said Vspan was a star only that he might have a shot at being a good player and I thought he deserved a better shot than Van Gundy gave him. He got less opportunity than Patterson did before PPat was sent to the D league and that was after showing some good moments and Alston sucking up the court. I will always believe that Van Gundy hated the fact that VSpan was CD's choice. CD loved him and Van Gundy didn't. yeah Vspan had some bad games but that was part of the process and with Alston sucking up the floor he definitely deserved a better shot. Of course there was the infamous comment after Vspan asked Van Gundy why he is trying to change him from a penetrating creator into a spot up shooter, going on to say I'm not a spot up shooter in Greece I played a role more like McGrady. At which time Van Gundy ran to the press and said, "(Spanoulis) says, 'I was McGrady back home.' Great. McGrady is McGrady here." The minute those words came out of Van Gundy's mouth I knew he cared nothing for the kid and Vspan would never have a chance under him. Confidence is such a fragile thing in this league and one of the most important things that a coach can do at any level is instill confidence. What Van Gundy did was the exact opposite of building confidence and was my turning point of disliking that man as the coach of our Rockets team. What he did was as backstabbing of a thing that you can do to a player. A guy comes up to you and confides his thoughts in you and then you run to the media like a little weasle and stab him in the back. I knew right then it wasn't about VSpan it was Van Gundy not wanting CD's players on his team. Notice I didn't call him Van Dummy once in this post. I like Van Gundy the Announcer and I like what Van Gundy does in this community. ANd I am over that Vspan stuff. But I still feel we will never know what kind of player Because Jeff was never going to let that happen. ANd for the record when Parker and France played against Vspan and Greece. Parker was on the phone saying coach we got to get this guy. I did like Eddie Griffen's talent. So did many others. I am sorry his life didn't work out for him. As for Novak your just talking out you a s s there. Bop Petit please stop lying so stupidly. So yeah you can call me the old school Carroll Dawson if you want but get your facts straight FISHDICK.
Let me say this, then I will let this fall off the front page as it did before I posted in it again. Easy, being humble had 0 to do with what I said. Alot of great players are humble. I've watched as many Kentucky games as anyone on this board with the exception of maybe hayesfan. I said that because of his attitude or demeanor in terms of feeling if he belongs or not. As I stated before, you dont have to be a star to have the attitude of a star if you have the game to match. I said when they drafted him the only thing that can hold patterson back is patterson. Back to this #6 rated player,if morey and company didnt think Patterson would be there and he was their 6th rated prospect, why not move up a place or 2 to ensure you get the guy? Isnt this the same thing that happened with Roy in 06? Portland made a move,houston stood still, portland got the player. I have the feeling that if you have a player rated that high and he's falling,and teams in front of you are looking at that position, why not move up? The only thing i came up with is a player behind him is rated just as high. Watching the draft, I never thought he wouldnt be there or possibly even lower. Bottomline, Patterson is a good player and I would trade scola in the offseason to open minutes up to him. I said the same thing brooks rookie year to give him minutes. We were going nowhere with rafer, he was a terrible shooter and from what I saw in brooks the end of his rookie year and in the playoffs, rafer shouldnve been gone that summer.
I recall that, according to interviews given by Morey shortly after draft day, the story was that they did try to move up to ensure they get Patterson, but failed to find a willing partner for such a trade but they got lucky and Patterson was available at 14 anyway, which made them happy.
You're mad because they didn't pick him high enough and instead were able to capitalize when they stole him at 14? Really? And btw that's not what happened with Roy, the Rockets were going to move up to get him, the Roy deal was effectively a move-up, it's just that Portland was able to get the asset the Rockets were going to use to get him (Foye) at the last moment. Meanwhile, Roy sits on the bench with chronic knee problems on a max deal, though that's beside the point.
Yep, remember that and thats because other teams had players rated higher. They thought houston was trying to get a wing player and those teams needed wanted wing players also. The year prior, the rockets was given the chance to buy detroits pick at 15, but the rockets didnt want the guaranteed contract. They later spent the same money to get chase as they wouldve spent on getting the gonzaga kid or whomever else they wanted to choose. Bottomline, they got their guy where they wanted him. To morey's credit, I believe in the theory about drafting or trading for a player because you dont know when you're going to have another shot at a guy. He said prior they would replace landry through the draft and by all early indicators, they have.
Yeah, IIRC, Morey and/or Rosas talked after the draft about the Rockets trying to trade up to #9, then again at #11(?), then AGAIN at #12, but fell short each time. After ALL that trying, when Stern announced Toronto's selection of Ed Davis at #13, the Rockets' war room went nuts. And LTF, I'll back up leebigez here. I also recall reading that Detroit offered the #15 pick in 2009 (which ended up being Austin Daye, but that's irrelevant) to anyone who would take it. I'm sure Houston was one of those offerees that turned down the Pistons. I think it turned out alright for Houston.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't so much as "offered" as it was dangled along with a bad contract. One can use last year's draft-trades with Chicago and Miami to see how such things are done. 15th picks just don't get traded for nothing unless you are the Phoenix Suns and you're up against the luxury tax.
No contract at all, detroit didnt want the contract. It was just a straight up cash for the pick. Maybe morey didnt think there was a difference between 15 and 45.
I don't think this has been posted yet, but David Thorpe released an article two days ago matching rookies with a veteran they should study. Thorpe wrote that Patterson could learn from Kenyon Martin. This is what he wrote PatPat
