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Congrats to Andre Johnson...

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by twoface723, Dec 19, 2006.

  1. Hey Now!

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    he's on pace to catch 113 passes but just 5 TDs; as of last week, his 11.5 YPC ranked 65th just among receivers, so that doesn't include the myriad of RBs and TEs who have higher YPC averages; after this weekend, it's now down to 11.2 - if it stands, it'll be the lowest for a receptions leader since 1994. he's also tied for second in the NFL with the most drops and is third on his own team in % of passes caught (minimum 40 catches).

    but yeah, sure, it's the QBs fault.......
     
  2. pgabriel

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    so carr doesn't have any responsibility in the low yards per catch or the touchdown figure. who does david throw the ball downfield to?
     
  3. Achilleus

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    The fact that he doesnt have more touchdowns is Carr's fault.

    Carr can't punch it in in the red zone or go for the big play, anymore.
     
  4. updawg

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    Congrats to AJ, finally something positive for this team. They need more of it.

    How ric can still defend Carr is amazing.
     
  5. SWTsig

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    he's as good as gone. book it.

    and that is a ******* shame, and another reason why i hate the f*cking texans*.






    *texans is read: charlie casserly+






    + :mad:
     
  6. sammy

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    He didnt deserve this?? :confused: He is first in receptions and SIXTH in the NFL in receving yards. Ahead of Holt, TO, Burress, Ward, and Steve Smith.
     
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    I don't think AJ will leave. He seems like a humble guy. Well, the Texans better do what ever they can to keep him because they gave Carr all that cash. It be nice to see the Texans give a good player a good contract.
     
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    Congrats to Andre Johnson. The guy is a beast.

    I think the Pro-Bowl voting is a joke. It is based so much on name recognition. I mean John Lynch has no business going to the Pro-Bowl this year. Terrel Suggs going to the Pro Bowl as an Outside Linebacker. Yeah right. I thought he was a D-lineman. But T-Suggs going over K. Bulluck or even Demco Ryans is just not right.

    ps - Can someone verify the comments regarding Andre Johnson being able to opt out of his contract. Is it after this current season or the 2007 season? Is this true. I am hoping it is but just wanting confirmation. I surely like the sound of Vince Young to Andre Johnson..... :eek: :eek:
     
  11. SwoLy-D

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    This thread is not about Carr, it's about Andre Johnson. Still, Ric has shown you WHO is responsible for getting Johnson those catches. How you can say "something positive" and still say something bad about Carr is amazing. :p
     
  12. Hey Now!

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    so i guess carr is calling, and then running, the short routes, too?

    updawg:
    this gets right to the heart of why i "defend" carr - notice, achilleus' statement is absent any qualifiers; no "mostly" carr's fault; no carr's fault "the majority of the time"... nope, it's ALL carr's fault... and then here's what he posts next:
    well doesn't going for the "big play" require not only a QB throwing the ball down field, but also a WR running down field? it's not like AJ is running untouched behind the secondary on every play and carr's ignoring him - he's caught nearly 40% of carr's completions this year...

    so am i really defending carr, or merely pointing out the disconnect of his errorneous thought process? this style of offense is designed to put playmakers in space to break games open. i will quote bill walsh: “The 49er West Coast offense relies on short passes turning into big plays with the ability of the skill players.”

    in light of that statement, you could actually, to a degree, absolve carr of ANY responsibility, considering he's delivering short passes to AJ on an extremely consistent basis, per the system. but i'm not naive enough to do that, so why should we be naive enough to absolve AJ of any responsibility?

    if pointing this out reads like i'm "defending" carr, so be it; but objectively, all i'm doing is judging AJ by the same standard as carr. even madmax admits to being somewhat dubious of AJ's accomplishments.

    and THIS is why the carr-bashing frustrates me so much; it comes at the expense of EVERYTHING else. it's ALL carr's fault and if you try and point out that it isn't, you're suddenly defending him, ignorant, etc. you can;t talk about the texans w/o it all coming back to carr (unless you throw casserly in the mix).

    it's myopic and really needs to stop. a fair analysis of andre johnson - indepedent of carr - is that he's become a possession receiver. he doesn't get separation from his man; he gets beaten to space by single coverage far too often, he drops a lot of passes, and the next time he breaks open a game by making a play (which is the job of a playmaker) will be the first time.

    and NONE of that is carr's fault.
     
  13. Dream34

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    Ric,
    Can you comment on Andre Johnsons contract status? Can he in fact opt out at the end of the current season???

    Inquiring minds want to know....
     
  14. twoface723

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    David...is that you?
     
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    Carr doesn't throw the ball downfield b/c the Texans have no running game. Or is it because the receiver doesn't run downfield? Or is it the offensive line? Or is it the play calling? It's got to be one or a combination of those. Definitely not his fault though.
     
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    look, I don't want to get into another carr argument, but i just wanted to point out that johnson isn't solely responsible for the lack of ypc, or touchdowns. your post made it seem like you were exempting carr. secondly, there are several reasons why the playcalling is like that, and carr is one of them.
     
  17. Hey Now!

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    as far as i know, he's signed thru 2008; i've never, off the top of my head, heard of an opt-out situation with an NFL contract.

    so, gun to my head, i'd say no, he cannot, but i can't/won't 100% confirm that.
     
  18. Hey Now!

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    and i was merely pointing out he's not absolved of all blame, either. fair?

    no, no - not at all; there are a LOT of reasons and yes, carr is most definitely one of them... ONE of them...
     
  19. Hey Now!

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    coming from a guy who's sig reads, "ANDRE JOHNSON IS A BEAST! VINCE IS A BEAST! CARR SUCKS!", i was probably wrong to expect in-depth analysis, but surely you can do better than that, no?
     
  20. Achilleus

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    Hey, I've defended Carr most of this season. I've blamed the line's inability to protect, but enough is enough. There is a reason Carr is not trusted to throw down the field. Carr's role model was Trent Dilfer, right? Well, he has become a little too much like him. He's an adequate quarterback that needs ALL the pieces around him to be perfect in order to be successful. He is not a game changer, and I'm not sure he desires to be.

    Carr does not deserve all the blame for the Texan's woes. That is obvious, and I've probably said that about 20 times in the past year. But, it is clear that Carr is no longer a viable option as this team's QB. He has had half a decade to prove his worth...

    I'm tired of making excuses for him.
     

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